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Doping in other sports

Discussion in 'Pro Cycling (Road and Track Racing)' started by montage, 17 Jan 2013.

  1. brommers

    brommers Years beyond my wisdom

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    What about his times. Did anyone ever query them?
     
  2. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

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    Wasn't seen suspicious at the time (Michael Johnson). Johnson actually had a fair bit of bad luck and set backs in his olympic career, it's just forgotten now.

    The thing I've found odd is his idolisation of Carl Lewis (over many years) contrasted with his views said many times on doping bans (over many years). Maybe he doesn't want to upset the apple cart or afraid of getting sued, I don't know. He was asked again recently for his list of greatest olympians and guess what Carl Lewis appeared in it!
     
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  3. rich p

    rich p ridiculous old lush

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    It's a reasonable point that if Johnson could do it clean all those years ago, then someone else could come along and do the same.
    I guess we've all become more cynical and suspicious lately
     
  4. HF2300

    HF2300 Insanity Prawn Boy

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  5. rich p

    rich p ridiculous old lush

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  6. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

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  7. HF2300

    HF2300 Insanity Prawn Boy

    #IsItOK that I'm slightly cynical about the Chinese dominance at the Paralympics when I'm not about Paralympics GB's massive haul?
     
  8. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    The 'lympics. A spike in "finals week", whoda thunk it...

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    Marmion Guru

    "Fast forward to the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Games. IAAF head honcho Nebiolo, under whom Cassell served as vice president, informed his No. 2 “about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive (drug) tests in L.A. at a dozen,” Cassell recounted in his memoir. “He said they had done it ‘to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal.”..."
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...kyo-games-set-cassell-life-path/#.WB9jyI1vhjo
     
  10. HF2300

    HF2300 Insanity Prawn Boy

    Seem to be a lot of mentions of dodgy goings on, but it's very light on whether he did anything about it. Cassell - a lifetime in sports corruption?
     
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  11. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    I watched Match of the Day 2 on Sunday evening. I don't usually pay much attention to the post-match analysis because it's always the same old tired rubbish (was it or wasn't it a penalty? who cares?), but one brief exchange in the discussion following the Man Utd vs Swansea game made me sit up and take notice. I have transcribed the interesting bit, but if you want to watch it for yourself, it's here: http://bbc.in/2edQwB3 - it starts at about 57 minutes in...

    Mark Chapman: No Chris Smalling. Before the game, Mourinho said he doesn’t feel he can play 100% with his pain, and he also said that Luke Shaw told him on the morning that he couldn’t play. After the game, he said, ‘In every sport they play at the highest level, how many times do you play when you are not 100%? I have a friend who is a big tennis player, he remembers more the times he played with pain than the times he played without pain. That is what I mean. It is a cultural thing for some and that’s not my culture.’

    Alan Shearer: Well, in my experience, very very rarely are you ever 100% fit when you go out onto a football pitch and play, whether you have to take anti-inflammatories to get out and play or what. But very rarely are you 100% fit.

    MC: Is that a message to some to toughen up?

    Danny Murphy: I’m surprised at Smalling because obviously playing with him, he was a tough lad. He must be in some trouble but that is a message from Mourinho, that doesn’t sound good. I’m with Al. I physically wouldn’t be able to get about if I didn’t…

    AS: The one thing I would say is that when he was at Chelsea the first time, he had warriors – Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Makelele, Cech, all these guys that you would never ever question anything like that. And he is becoming more and more vocal, Mourinho, in actually digging his players out in public and that was very rare in his first time at Chelsea. So I think yes, the game has moved on, even from his first time, players are paid a hell of a lot more money, they don’t have to put themselves under pressure and stress to go out and play and he might have to face that fact.

    It's a "cultural thing", eh? Shame that Shearer interrupted Murphy before he had a chance to say what it is that he needed to do to be physically able to get about.

    Follow-up story here: http://bbc.in/2fTa539
     
  12. ItsSteveLovell

    ItsSteveLovell Veteran

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    It's interesting this, as a teenager I never thought anything of footballers taking Steroid injections for any form of injury, so they could 'play through the pain'. Now I can understand, this is a system that's wide open for abuse. The fact on early 'Football Manager' games, you were presented the opportunity of getting a player to have a steroid injection/whatever to get them through that next game, where it was no issue is troublesome.

    I genuinely don't understand how players can cover 10km in essentially a series of sprints at the performance level they compete, whilst existing on bread and water
     
  13. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    Game of skill, innit ;)
     
  14. psmiffy

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  15. oldroadman

    oldroadman Veteran

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    What they don't want to talk about (or maybe don't consider) is the long term damage caused by playing on through injury when the pain - nature's way of telling you to stop - is expunged by applications of chemicals. Having met a few ex-players of ball sports, there are enough having trouble walking properly to convince me that the "play through the pain/cortisone injection" route is at the least very unwise.
     
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