Examples of enduring good design?

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dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Flying_Monkey said:
after the build-up, I was expecting something genuinely beautiful and functional, but you give us the nearest equivalent to the Death Star in Britain!

Massive, oppressive, rather fascistic architecture in grey, grey and more grey. It's a space that is seemingly designed to make you feel like buckling under the new surveillance regime, which of course is in your pictures invisible but in reality is utterly unavoidable and an integral part of the design that keeps 'the masses' away from 'the masters'.

And it's the total opposite of the airy bourgeois liberalism of the Parisian example.

If nothing else dell, I expect you to have taste, and I know you're still loyal to Labour, but the apparent subservience of your aesthetic to New Labour paranoia is most disturbing!
if anything you've got it the wrong way round. Sure it's grey, but there's nothing fascistic about it at all (I'm not sure that buildings can be fascist, although the appreciation of some buildings in a way that denies their meaning is a kind of fascism). It's a kind of three-dimensional love affair with the human form. The members, the construction all reach down from the fast overall scale of the building to have a kind of conversation with people's hands and feet. You can see that, despite the vast amount of power consumed to make it (and the building above, which is supported by columns reaching all the way down through the tube station), it was put together by people, and people that employed skill and care. Sir Michael Hopkins has become the architect of the establishment, but he's never lost sight of the fact that people make and inhabit buildings. Labrouste, on the other hand, was obsessed by buildings. That, for an architect is a big mistake to make. He pulls the building off because he has something very pressing to say.

You've inadvertantly reminded me of the first time I saw Koyaanisqati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyaanisqatsi I presume you know that the film attempts to contrast nature and modern life. I watched it in university, and the tutor who presented the film didn't say much, but he had a sly smile on his face. As the film neared it's climax (the horror, the horror) the joke became ever more apparent. The time lapse pictures of people on subway escalators were far, far more beautiful than all those FNRttC brochure sunrises. The entire class, some smart, some not very smart, started whistling and applauding the very bits we were supposed to be repulsed by.

I love the tube. Not being crushed against somebody I don't know, but the huge exercise in civility as all these stories cross each other's paths. Westminster tube station is absolutely how it should be - stories passing each other in civilised and harmonious surroundings.
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
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More classic design ... and all wrapped around that fantastic 3.5 litre V8 engine.
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
dellzeqq said:
I love the tube. Not being crushed against somebody I don't know, but the huge exercise in civility as all these stories cross each other's paths. Westminster tube station is absolutely how it should be - stories passing each other in civilised and harmonious surroundings.

Yes, I love the tube too, but this isn't about the tube. You seem to have entirely and deliberately missed by point in the same way that you managed to miss all the security that also constitutes the new Westminster station, and the supposed heart of UK democracy more broadly. In the current context, the use of the term 'harmonious' and 'civilised' seems closer to Zamyatin or Orwell than any idea of harmony or civilisation as I understand it. I think you had it rather better in the science thread some time back when you made a claim that contemporary architecture was basically a whore. I wouldn't go that far, but it's not that difficult to call a rather successful attempt to crush the spirit of diversity and dissent in the service of a paranoid government when you see it. And yes, I have been there, in several different capacities: as a visitor, a protestor and as a guest in parliament. In none of those guises could I see the things you are seeing or at least not on their own - as Nan Ellin said: 'form follows fear'... in this case, that's a rather more pertinent view than missing the architecture of control entirely.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
Flying_Monkey said:
you managed to miss all the security that also constitutes the new Westminster station
I think you can separate the architecture from the security stuff.

Airports have lots of security embedded into them, but that doesn't make this any less beautiful:

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Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
Ben Lovejoy said:
I think you can separate the architecture from the security stuff.

Sure, you can. But at the Westminster Station, it's designed in, and in a way that never let's you forget. It is a heavy, oppressive atmosphere that's created by the massive beams and monochrome grey, almost like something out of Metropolis - even if you can forget the cameras, the barriers, the fencing and armed police that 'welcome' you to the heart of British democracy.
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
Ben Lovejoy said:
I think it's beautiful

"He loved Big Brother."

Last line of Nineteen Eighty-Four :sad:

Seriously though, my only real point to which I have deliberately hyperbolized to make (as architectural criticism is wont to do) is to emphasize how different the interpretation of place can be depending on what you are looking at and for.
 
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