Froome and Wiggins TUEs

Discussion in 'Pro Cycling (Road and Track Racing)' started by Joffey, 15 Sep 2016.

  1. Maenchi

    Maenchi StoneDog

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    rules versus ethics
    and
    legal versus image
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  2. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member

    And I don't reckon Geraint is on Sir Brad's Christmas card list any more after

    I wonder what a certain Romandie winner thinks of that.
     
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  3. Adam4868

    Adam4868 Veteran

    To be fair theres more to that interview...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/43319799
     
  4. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

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    In an idle moment, I did wonder if Thomas might be the anonymous source the DCMS spoke to. For the source to be credible, it has to be someone who had access behind the scenes at races, so a rider or soigneur or maybe even the chef or bus driver (though I've met one of the Team Sky bus drivers and he didn't strike me as a grass). It's also likely to be someone who is vociferously anti-doping, and Thomas certainly fits that bill. On the other hand, he's been a good mate of Wiggo for years, so would he dob him in? There have also been doubts expressed about Thomas's own purity in some quarters.

    Anyway, this really is delving into the realms of speculation so I won't pursue this line of thought any further.
     
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  5. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member

    It's a good interview, I like Geraint, I don't necessarily agree with him here but he does come across as genuine, not scripted. I do wish he'd followed through on his leave Sky thing. I reckon he could have been a top classics rider.

    My thought was Fabio Bartalucci, but I can't think why he'd go for anonymity.
     
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  6. Adam4868

    Adam4868 Veteran

    Id have never thought of Thomas as I see him as someone who wouldnt have a bad word to say about anybody.Allround likeable bloke !
    There again I dont really.like the idea of a "annonymous source" either come out yourself or its not credible to me.
     
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  7. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

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    Yes, he's a strong candidate.
     
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  8. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member

    The other obvious candidate is Leinders, you can see why the DCMS would not reveal they'd spoken to him.
     
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  9. Adam4868

    Adam4868 Veteran

    It could have been Froomey before his adverse episode.......or it could be a figure of speech.
     
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  10. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member


    Can't see it....Michelle would have had to tweet it.
     
  11. I've just been re-reading Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I reckon it was Brailsford himself as part of a very clever knot. By making the report reliant in part on anonymous information he undermines its credibility.
     
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  12. Foghat

    Foghat Veteran

    Whistleblowing has a very important place in British law, including in investigations such as these.

    In this case, there's no reason to doubt the ability of the select committee to assess the credibility of the witness correctly. It says:

    The identity of this person is known to us; they are well respected within the cycling community and held a senior position at Team Sky at the time of the events under investigation.

    Anyway, I should imagine anyone who knows the team/management structure, and knows who was employed by Sky, during the period in question would be able to deduce who the whistleblower is, given the very specific knowledge they demonstrate in their evidence.

    There is clearly enough verifiable content in the witness's evidence to establish their credibility - and remember the committee does know who it is. Given their testimony doesn't come across as much of a grievance, and is very much presented as simply clarifying matters and setting the record straight on certain points, then the select committee has obviously made the correct decision to give credence to and publish it and to use it in determining its findings...... and whilst I am also very curious to know the identity, I'm prepared to delegate making this judgment to the select committee, and for the identity to remain undisclosed to protect the individual.
     
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  13. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

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    I think they have come to a sincerely held view based on their understanding of the available evidence. My only problem is that certain aspects of the report, as noted upthread, show the limits of their understanding.

    Either way, there are enough known and indisputable facts to cast serious doubt on the ethical standing of the team. They've definitely got that bit right.
     
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  14. Foghat

    Foghat Veteran

    A valid point, but I would say those aspects aren't that significant or material to the determining factors in reaching justifiable conclusions.

    I would even suggest that with more specialised knowledge, and with a more judicial approach, they would have been even more damning and for instance would have found that WADA rules were indeed breached by the fraudulent TUE applications.
     
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  15. SKY are lucky that Travis Tygart wasnae on their case
     
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