Fuel duty cut will cost £500,000,000

[DRHysted]

I know just how you feel. But some of my Toryboy friends have explained it all to me. Apparently we plebs just have to trust the posh boys and it will all work out fine for them.

Are you talking about torys or labour?

The biggest growth in gap between income levels happened during the 13 years that labour were in power. There is no difference between any of them, I wish there was.

Remember historicly Labour have left government when the country was skint, Torys have left with money in the bank (but not in our pockets).

 

[benb]

A startling generalization, for someone with the tag of "evidence based cyclist"!

That's a fair point. I should obviously have said "In my experience"

 

[green1]

Price private cars off the road. What a wonderful idea. Please allow me to buy you beer next time we meet.

Would that be a beer that has has it's ingrediants grown, brewed and delivery to the pub without use of an internal combustion engine?

 

[Alun]

Would that be a beer that has has it's ingrediants grown, brewed and delivery to the pub without use of an internal combustion engine?

They used to deliver Tetley's around Leeds city centre pubs by horse and dray until recently(ish), not convinced that the hops were delivered to the brewery by the same method though

 

[martint235]

Would that be a beer that has has it's ingrediants grown, brewed and delivery to the pub without use of an internal combustion engine?

Not sure it's relevant. I'm not particularly green just don't like whining motorists. However I refer the honourable member to the top previous not fussy comment

 

[dellzeqq]

Really? The private sector survived for 1000s of years before the state existed!

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no it didn't. End of.

 

[dellzeqq]

this isn't about U-turns. It's not even about the fuel tax. It's about the collapse in tax revenue and the uncontrolled growth in public spending. This is the most profligate government in history, and the shocking thing is that this profligacy is unplanned and unmanaged.

 

[growingvegetables]

Really? The private sector survived for 1000s of years before the state existed!

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Ever seen the pyramids in Egypt? Result of a state funded and organised job creation scheme ... 4-5000 years ago.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Would that be a beer that has has it's ingrediants grown, brewed and delivery to the pub without use of an internal combustion engine?

Do they use private cars to deliver beer these days?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

That depends how other people respond.

I'm not sure what would happen if we recalculated the result of 2010 on the basis of a 100% redistribution of Lib Dem votes to Labour!

But 100% of LibDem voters would never ever vote 100% Labour. Many of us would probably spoil our ballots or abstain if forced to chose only between Labour and Tory. (and until such time as no member of Labour's war government is active at the top of the party I'll not vote for them again)

 

[byegad]

You also need to factor in the other costs related to motoring - IIRC the true cost of running a car is something like 24p a mile, so driving those extra five miles for cheap petrol is even more of a false economy than gavintc has made it sound.

Without wear and tear, like tyres, brake pads etc.etc.etc. My car costs me just over £800/annum to stand on the front with VED, insurance, MOT and a service. At 40mpg it costs around 15.5p/mile in fuel. I drive around 5500 miles a year so total cost/mile is around 30p/mile or 40p if I factor in the odd tyre and brake pad replacement. THEN you need to add in the cost of the car less the trade in value when I sell it. Which last time I swapped cars came to around 19p per mile driven.

So the total cost for me is around 60p/mile. If I covered a much higher annual mileage the capital cost/mile would fall by a good chunk, although wear and tear costs would rise.

 

[Linford]

Without wear and tear, like tyres, brake pads etc.etc.etc. My car costs me just over £800/annum to stand on the front with VED, insurance, MOT and a service. At 40mpg it costs around 15.5p/mile in fuel. I drive around 5500 miles a year so total cost/mile is around 30p/mile or 40p if I factor in the odd tyre and brake pad replacement. THEN you need to add in the cost of the car less the trade in value when I sell it. Which last time I swapped cars came to around 19p per mile driven.

So the total cost for me is around 60p/mile. If I covered a much higher annual mileage the capital cost/mile would fall by a good chunk, although wear and tear costs would rise.

Ultimately, the only way you can reduce the cost per mile of car ownership is to actually use it more - thanks in greater part to VED, and insurance premium tax - as well as VAT on servicing, and consumables, and that is before you even start the engine.

If the gov were truly demanding that car mileage falls, it would reduce the taxes on static ownership cost, and increase the tax on the fuel duty to make people think long and hard about what they consider to be essential mileage.

Banning private cars from the road is really a dumb idea as the alternatives are very disjointed, and for the greater part impractical, but I do believe that a bit of joined up thinking could actually retain the utility requirement whilst reducing private car journey miles, and thus make the roads a nicer and safer place to be for all.

 

[martint235]

Banning private cars from the road is really a dumb idea as the alternatives are very disjointed,

I think that if a ban was put into place, the alternatives would become incredibly efficient and practical very, very quickly. It's amazing what can be done when there's money to be made.

 

[BSRU]

They used to deliver Tetley's around Leeds city centre pubs by horse and dray until recently(ish), not convinced that the hops were delivered to the brewery by the same method though

Ironically when the car first appeared on the streets it was regarded as the "green" alternative to horses because the streets were full of dead horses and tonnes of horse manure.(Assuming QI is correct)

 

[green1]

Do they use private cars to deliver beer these days?

How is there going to be any beer to deliver with out the farmers machinery which in the tends to be privately owned?