Gotten...

[david k]

Please stop it.

That is all. Carry on.

Not read the fuLl thread but someone may have already said this..... It is an old English term that was taken to the USA, however we have dropped it from our language , well had, and Americans kept it

 

[MrPie]

I drink tea

Nope, proper etiquette demands that you take tea

 

[theclaud]

The only place to buy coffee at St Panc is Sourced Market, the Monmouth Coffee Co organic espresso beans are superb. Everyone else is selling mud.

Is there no Maccy D's there, then?

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Is there no Maccy D's there, then?

There's a Starbucks for steerage.

 

[pplpilot]

nescafe , boiling water , milk , job done , happy to help

You should never make coffee with boiling water...

 

[robjh]

Do I take it then that had you been born 200 years ago you would have been up on your soapbox decrying the new and vulgar trend of shortening 'gotten' (which had not a damn thing wrong with it) to 'got'?

It is a perfectly acceptable word which is coming around again in the cycle of fashionability.

No. I wouldn't have decried it, just as I'm not decrying the apparent resurrection of 'gotten' in British English now. But I probably would have noticed and commented on it, as I'm doing now.

 

[david k]

[QUOTE 3484453, member: 259"]Some of us dropped it, and some of us didn't. It isn't 'your' language by the way.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say my I said our, meaning English as its the English language

 

[robjh]

[QUOTE 3484499, member: 259"] I'm English (.....) And I have always said 'gotten'.[/QUOTE]

Whereabouts did you grow up?
This a completely unloaded, linguistics-nerdy, question. I'm just interested in the language side.

 

[Gravity Aided]

Around these parts, use of thou and thee would have you pegged as an Anabaptist.

 

[swee'pea99]

Couple of interesting (I thought) language changes I stumbled on in an old Sherlock Holmes short story last night: "The cord was clearly cut with a scissors" (not 'a pair of', just 'a scissors'); and a reference to someone as an 'employé' - a term which had presumably only recently been borrowed from French, and hadn't yet been anglicised into 'employee'.

(I also came across a reference to 'the curious incident of the dog in the night time' - never knew that originated in Holmes.)

 

[Gravity Aided]

Conan-Doyle had an interesting use of the language. Did keep you reading, though.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Did anyone here grow up in an area in the UK where all the old people said 'gotten' ? If so where?

In Glasgow.


GC

 

[400bhp]

Couple of interesting (I thought) language changes I stumbled on in an old Sherlock Holmes short story last night: "The cord was clearly cut with a scissors" (not 'a pair of', just 'a scissors'); and a reference to someone as an 'employé' - a term which had presumably only recently been borrowed from French, and hadn't yet been anglicised into 'employee'.

(I also came across a reference to 'the curious incident of the dog in the night time' - never knew that originated in Holmes.)

I don't understand the need for "a" before "scissors". I wouldn't feel the need to write/or ask for [a pair of] scissors.=, just scissors.

Language can be very snobby and, rather bizarelly, English is a language that is allowed to develop. Spanish (castellano), on the other hand, isn't given much freedom to develop.

 

[swee'pea99]

I don't understand the need for "a" before "scissors". I wouldn't feel the need to write/or ask for [a pair of] scissors.=, just scissors.

Language can be very snobby and, rather bizarelly, English is a language that is allowed to develop. Spanish (castellano), on the other hand, isn't given much freedom to develop.

For anyone interested in such things, a friend recently put me onto a fascinating old Melvyn Bragg programme that tells the story of that development. The whole thing is on Facebook. Try from min44 on this opening episode, eg, to see just a few of the words adopted into English from the French of the invaders from Normandy.

 

[swee'pea99]

[QUOTE 3484776, member: 9609"]why do they put "pair" before Scissors, Stilsons Pliers etc?[/QUOTE]
Why a pair of trousers? It's only one item of clothing. Did people used to wear 'a trouser'?