Helmet Cam Man Beware

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Drago

Legendary Member
That it's illegal to use a camera in a public place.

Oh dear. You must be quaking with fear.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
It's good that they'll accept this evidence of poor driving when the CPS is alleged to have given guidance to GMP that where there's been no complaint from the person affected they don't even want to hear about it.

See video and report at http://road.cc/content/news/227952-near-miss-day-28-driver-turns-across-cyclist-speed

"There were no issues with the quality of the footage or identifying the registration number of the car – it was simply that they had been given guidance from the Crown Prosecution Service not to even send cases to them for prosecution where there was no complaint from the person actually affected by the incident, i.e. in this case the unidentified cyclist."
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Some serving police officers seem to think that is the case, if the camera is privately owned.

Unless the camera is being used in some criminal manner, such as voyeurism, or breach of certain terrorism regs, the use of cameras in a public place is an entirely civil matter, and ACPO (now the NPCC) expressly forbid officers from becoming involved in civil disputes beyond the requirement to maintain the Queen's peace.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Unless the camera is being used in some criminal manner, such as voyeurism, or breach of certain terrorism regs, the use of cameras in a public place is an entirely civil matter, and ACPO (now the NPCC) expressly forbid officers from becoming involved in civil disputes beyond the requirement to maintain the Queen's peace.

The police discretion in the terrorist activity law is very wide, which is good when it comes to preventing would-be terrorists scoping somewhere to blow up.

It's not so good for the genuine hobby photographer who finds himself on the wrong end of it.

Of course, the more you protest that you are taking snaps just for the sake of it, the more the copper can legitimately interpret the reverse.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
Of course, the more you protest that you are taking snaps just for the sake of it, the more the copper can legitimately interpret the reverse.

That sounds more like failing the attitude test rather than any 'legitimate' interpretation of behaviour by the copper.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Unless the camera is being used in some criminal manner, such as voyeurism, or breach of certain terrorism regs, the use of cameras in a public place is an entirely civil matter, and ACPO (now the NPCC) expressly forbid officers from becoming involved in civil disputes beyond the requirement to maintain the Queen's peace.
Just to add to @Drago of the Yard's post, these days you do need to be a bit more aware of your rights when in a 'pseudo-public' space - shopping developments typically, but you'd be surprised how often you step off public land without realising.

Although at first glance they're open access just like a proper public space, you're there on the sufferance of the landowners and they do have the right to ask you to stop filming or photographing or leave the premises. They certainly can't seize or inspect your equipment, or force you to delete anything. You can usually spot these places because they have some minimum wage security droids dressed up as policemen hanging around.

In a public space there are few restrictions on what you can film away from anything covered by the official secrets act or other security legislation. There's no law against you going to your local public park and taking pictures of the littles without their parents' permission. You'll likely get your head kicked in though, so I wouldn't recommend it.

I've had to get my head around this as I do the photography for Bolletta's skating club and also deal with some of their safeguarding. It is a minefield, but nobody's ooman rights are being infringed by filming in public.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Outside of Laarndon most privately owned public spaces such as shopping centres, office courtyards etc, have a "walkways agreement" of some kind with the local council. So despite the private ownership any passer by usually enjoys the same rights as if it were a true public space, and hoity toity fluorescent wearers can't tell you to stop filming etc. They can ask you nicely, but you can quite happily decline them nicely too.
 
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