Heretical thoughts

[Deleted member 26715]

Baked Beans and Jaffa cakes are equally disgusting

Never had that, what do you do put the Jaffa cakes in a bowl & pour the beans over them? Is this a suvern speciality?

 

[srw]

I'm a tad disappointed that so much of this thread - whose title actually seems to me to have potential - has turned into an 'I don't like x' ercise.

For some slightly more positive heresy, I think politicians are much-maligned.

I don't know any personally, but I think it likely that many if not most are driven largely if not entirely by a desire to do what they can to advance the common good, as they see it. I think good constituency MPs far outnumber bad ones, and most will do their best to help constituents who need help. I think almost all start off meaning well, and a large proportion remain that way. Of course ego and money play their part, but I suspect most politicians, in this country and many others, probably work harder, and for better motives, than they are ever given credit for.

Absolutely. This should be shouted loud and clear and regularly, especially in the week that Jo Cox's murderer was sentenced.

I didn't see it myself, being (errrr) otherwise occupied, but there was a programme on Channel 5 a few days ago following three MPs as they went about their ordinary constituency work. The Guardian review (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/nov/29/mps-behind-closed-doors-review-rare-peek) makes it clear that even Jacob Rees-Mogg is basically driven by doing what he believes in.

 

[Big Andy]

The problem with the NHS is chronic underfunding. Adding 1p to income tax will go a long way to solving the problem.

The problem with the NHS is chronic over demand for it's services.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

The problem with the NHS is chronic over demand for it's services.

No it's not, User gave a very succinct reason earlier in the thread.

And incompetence, poor management, greed, localism, political interference, adherence to an outdated model and a rose-tinted nostalgia...

 

[Big Andy]

No it's not, User gave a very succinct reason earlier in the thread.

Apologies

The problem with the NHS is chronic over demand for it's services and incompetence, poor management, greed, localism, political interference, adherence to an outdated model and a rose-tinted nostalgia...

 

[Deleted member 26715]

The problem with the NHS is chronic over demand for it's services CAUSED BY THE incompetence, poor management, greed, localism, political interference, adherence to an outdated model and a rose-tinted nostalgia...

FTFY Sorry but I do feel that if there was better management in the NHS it could be run so much better.

 

[Big Andy]

FTFY Sorry but I do feel that if there was better management in the NHS it could be run so much better.

Really? So better management would mean the NHS is better managed?? You heretic!!!

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Ah so we just have ti Euthanise everybody over 50 job done

 

[Big Andy]

Except on the whole you'd be wrong to suggest that the rise in demand for services is down to "incompetence, poor management, greed, localism, political interference, adherence to an outdated model and a rose-tinted nostalgia..." It's not - they compound the issue.

Rise in demand is down to things like an ageing population, advances in medical science, more people living with long term conditions, the fact that the NHS is primarily focused on cure rather than prevention...

and overpopulation and people expecting services from the NHS that they shouldn't expect free.

 

[Dan B]

Apologies

The problem with the NHS is chronic over demand for it's services and incompetence, poor management, greed, localism, political interference, adherence to an outdated model and a rose-tinted nostalgia...

.. surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms

 

[Deleted member 26715]

and overpopulation and people expecting services from the NHS that they shouldn't expect free.

Why ever not? Although we are now straying so far off topic it ought to be it' own circular topic.

 

[Chromatic]

Withnail and I was shite as well.

 

[Markymark]

Withnail and I was shite as well.

I think an outright ban from the forum will be excessive but maybe a 6 month suspension would be more suitable.

 

[Markymark]

I don't think overpopulation is an issue really - there is capacity in the system, it's just not very well used.

But I would agree that there is a need for a real robust debate about what the NHS is there for and what it's limits should be - or whether the population is willing to dig deeper if it wants more.

I live in a vibrant multi cultural part of London. I needed the doctors last month but had to wait days and days for an appointment. As I sat in the waiting room for 2 hours you can just guess the make up of people there. Entirely dominated by white old people. The only brown people I saw were the exceptionally busy yet competent staff.

 

[Chromatic]

I think an outright ban from the forum will be excessive but maybe a 6 month suspension would be more suitable.

I sometimes think I must be the only person in the universe who didn't think that was the greatest film ever made, and in fact was crap, but I see @raleighnut has given me a like for it so there are at least two of us with our heads screwed on.