I got a speeding ticket

[david k]

£100 fixed penalty for 76mph in a commercial vehicle on a dual carriageway. Who knew (obvs I should have)? I'm very disappointed with myself - that was a 100% blemish free driving record that was. And only 1mph over the threshold at which I would have been offered a £90 driver re-ed class.

*unsmilyface*

is the national speed limit for a comercial vehicle 60mph on a duel carriageway ?

 

[Pale Rider]

I have just done a quote with my insurance company and included 3 points for speeding. My original quote (what I paid for this year) was £1200. A year on and it will be £710. So clearly the points dont have that much affect on things if my insurance company still come out the cheapest.

Many companies take little notice of an occasional three points, although you still have to tell them.

I have also know of several young drivers who are able to get insurance for around £1,000, despite scare stories online that it will cost many times that.

 

[helston90]

is the national speed limit for a comercial vehicle 60mph on a duel carriageway ?

Yes it is, which I find slightly amusing as I can turn up to work in my old, much less maintained, much poorer braking system car having done 70mph on the dual carriageway, jump into a commercial vehicle which is no expense spared servicing/ repaires etc. and have to drive slower (I know it's to do with maximum carrying load etc. but I'm still convinced I'm safer to go faster in it than my own vehicle as it's so new and everything works well)

 

[david k]

I should hope, if you have a driving license, you would know the answer to that.

thought i was right, when i passed my test the speed linmits were slightly different if i recall correctly, passed in 1990

 

[Firestorm]

You were clocked driving at 79mph on a dual carriageway which means you car speedo was likely indicating approx 85mph. You petrol head hooligan !

I was on a speed awareness course earlier this year and raised the question of over reading speedometers. Apparently they must never under read and the reading depends on the diameter of the wheel and that in turn depends on tyre wear at the extremes there can be quite a variation.
Speeds on sat navs are better but they dont take gradients into account so are not accurate.
For the sake of a couple of MPH stick to the limit as shown on your speedo and you wont break the law. Take a gamble any other way and you should take the consequences if it backfires.
There were people on my course whose ticket said 31 in a 30 !!

 

[Arch]

Yes it is, which I find slightly amusing as I can turn up to work in my old, much less maintained, much poorer braking system car having done 70mph on the dual carriageway, jump into a commercial vehicle which is no expense spared servicing/ repaires etc. and have to drive slower (I know it's to do with maximum carrying load etc. but I'm still convinced I'm safer to go faster in it than my own vehicle as it's so new and everything works well)

What's the definition of commercial then, is it as simple as 'a van'? What about a little thing like an ASTRA van, or a Transit Connect? Or is it to do with provate ownership?

(I don't drive regular vehicles much these days, only the work truck, and that struggles to get above 15mph, so speeding is pretty much impossible.)

 

[Linford]

Is there?

In my view both mickle and Matthew are prats for driving without due care and attention.

Exceeding the speed limit and driving without due care and attention are two completely different charges.
It is entirely possible to be charged with driving without due care and attention (For instance .. holding the steering wheel with your knees whilst you light a cigarette with both hands whilst moving at 10mph) CD10, CD20, CD30, or exceeding the speed limits SP10-SP50 depending on the vehicles and road types. It is entirely possible to get caught speeding still be in good control of the vehicle.

 

[Pale Rider]

What's the definition of commercial then, is it as simple as 'a van'? What about a little thing like an ASTRA van, or a Transit Connect? Or is it to do with provate ownership?

(I don't drive regular vehicles much these days, only the work truck, and that struggles to get above 15mph, so speeding is pretty much impossible.)

I suspect the taxation class - light goods - may come into it.

There are anomalies, the likes of Citroen and Peugeot make small commercials - no rear side windows - but also sell the same sized vehicle fitted with side windows, rear side doors, and rear seats.

The commercial variant is limited to 60mph on dual carriageways, but the car-like one is allowed to do 70mph.

A bit daft when they have the same bodywork outline and engine.

 

[User16625]

But you were in a van.
I was hoping for something more impressive when I read the thread title, like a speeding ticket for a bike.

Me too. However I got my chance when I deliberately went 39mph past a speed cam in a 30 mph area. I still didnt get a penalty tho. The limit used to be 40 but for some reason was reduced to 30. I pretend its still 40 unless theres a speed camera generally.

 

[CopperCyclist]

There were people on my course whose ticket said 31 in a 30 !!

Really? Wow! I'd be asking for a court case if that was me, the ACPO guidelines available online state that the degree of error on the machines is 2mph at 30! I bet they wouldn't even consider running that at court!

(for info, I had no involvement in speeding offences at all, and my knowledge on the matter is only the same as the next person with an Internet connection!)

 

[Pale Rider]

Really? Wow! I'd be asking for a court case if that was me, the ACPO guidelines available online state that the degree of error on the machines is 2mph at 30! I bet they wouldn't even consider running that at court!

(for info, I had no involvement in speeding offences at all, and my knowledge on the matter is only the same as the next person with an Internet connection!)

Same as my experience.

I've heard of tickets being issued for 31mph, but the handful of coppers I've spoken to about it reckon it is unlikely.

 

[Linford]

I know they're two different charges...

However, in my view, if you are driving with excess speed then you're driving without due car and attention.

Your view is irrelevant and that is why there are different offence codes. A traffic police officer is deemed an expert in these matters whilst you are just some random opinionated forum user

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Whatever!

If you what to be down with the kids the correct terminology these days is 'whatevs', they're too busy or something to use the whole word.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

I bow to your superior knowledge of street lingo and chavese, 3BM.

word

 

[donnydave]

I was on a speed awareness course earlier this year and raised the question of over reading speedometers. Apparently they must never under read and the reading depends on the diameter of the wheel and that in turn depends on tyre wear at the extremes there can be quite a variation.
Speeds on sat navs are better but they dont take gradients into account so are not accurate.
For the sake of a couple of MPH stick to the limit as shown on your speedo and you wont break the law. Take a gamble any other way and you should take the consequences if it backfires.
There were people on my course whose ticket said 31 in a 30 !!

As part of the type approval process I recently had the speedo on my kit car tested, it was interesting to watch. The car was on rollers and the chap took the car up through the gears (pretty clumsily it has to be said, I was annoyed that I wasn't allowed to do it) at set intervals of 30, 40, 50, 60, 70mph and took a reading of "actual" speed from the rollers, and checked what the speedo was reading. Previous to this I had to program the speedo with a number of pulses per mile. I rolled the car down the driveway 8 full wheel revs and measured the distance covered, to account for rolling diameter from tyres being squashed by the weight of the car, as you mentioned. Then account for diff ratio (3.54:1) and number of sensor points on prop shaft (3) gave me a magic number which amazingly was pretty close. I got 30/29 (bit too close tbh but still acceptable), 40/37, 50/45, 60/56, 70/66.

That was at my second test, the first test the week before I failed on a couple of things, one of them being the speedo broke while I was driving there and would only read 50 so I just did whatever the cars in front were doing until my copilot got the sat nav on my phone working. Most people were presumably sticking to the speed limits as everyone was 4 or 5 mph under.