I got a speeding ticket

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Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
As part of the type approval process I recently had the speedo on my kit car tested, it was interesting to watch. The car was on rollers and the chap took the car up through the gears (pretty clumsily it has to be said, I was annoyed that I wasn't allowed to do it) at set intervals of 30, 40, 50, 60, 70mph and took a reading of "actual" speed from the rollers, and checked what the speedo was reading. Previous to this I had to program the speedo with a number of pulses per mile. I rolled the car down the driveway 8 full wheel revs and measured the distance covered, to account for rolling diameter from tyres being squashed by the weight of the car, as you mentioned. Then account for diff ratio (3.54:1) and number of sensor points on prop shaft (3) gave me a magic number which amazingly was pretty close. I got 30/29 (bit too close tbh but still acceptable), 40/37, 50/45, 60/56, 70/66.

That was at my second test, the first test the week before I failed on a couple of things, one of them being the speedo broke while I was driving there and would only read 50 so I just did whatever the cars in front were doing until my copilot got the sat nav on my phone working. Most people were presumably sticking to the speed limits as everyone was 4 or 5 mph under.
I never had to go through that, but about 13 years ago I imported a car and had to provide something like the "single vehicle approval" paperwork. They were VERY strict about the speedo. It had to show MPH, not just KPH and NOT read under. I think the tolerance for over-reading was about 10%.
Mickle did speeding.
 

Scoosh

Velocouchiste
Moderator
Location
Edinburgh
... I rolled the car down the driveway 8 full wheel revs and measured the distance covered, to account for rolling diameter from tyres being squashed by the weight of the car, as you mentioned....
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Maybe this is why my cycle 'puter never reads the same as a GPS - because I measure the tyre diameter by wheeling the bike, while the diameter would change when my weight is on the bike ...

Ah - the things one learns on CC ! :thumbsup:
 

Linford

Guest
As part of the type approval process I recently had the speedo on my kit car tested, it was interesting to watch. The car was on rollers and the chap took the car up through the gears (pretty clumsily it has to be said, I was annoyed that I wasn't allowed to do it) at set intervals of 30, 40, 50, 60, 70mph and took a reading of "actual" speed from the rollers, and checked what the speedo was reading. Previous to this I had to program the speedo with a number of pulses per mile. I rolled the car down the driveway 8 full wheel revs and measured the distance covered, to account for rolling diameter from tyres being squashed by the weight of the car, as you mentioned. Then account for diff ratio (3.54:1) and number of sensor points on prop shaft (3) gave me a magic number which amazingly was pretty close. I got 30/29 (bit too close tbh but still acceptable), 40/37, 50/45, 60/56, 70/66.

That was at my second test, the first test the week before I failed on a couple of things, one of them being the speedo broke while I was driving there and would only read 50 so I just did whatever the cars in front were doing until my copilot got the sat nav on my phone working. Most people were presumably sticking to the speed limits as everyone was 4 or 5 mph under.


Eh :scratch:
The rolling radius of a tyre doesn't change when its shape is deformed
 

Linford

Guest
[QUOTE 2788382, member: 259"]Heading wildly off-topic, has anyone else got their satnav set to make a mooing sound when they go over the speed limit? :whistle:[/quote]

Mine does this :thumbsup:
 

donnydave

Über Member
Location
Cambridge
Eh :scratch:
The rolling radius of a tyre doesn't change when its shape is deformed
Are you sure? I think i meant circumference. Something to do with pi at least. If i measure the height of the wheel + tyre and work out circumference that way, its different to the rolling along the floor method
 

Linford

Guest
Are you sure? I think i meant circumference. Something to do with pi at least. If i measure the height of the wheel + tyre and work out circumference that way, its different to the rolling along the floor method
Pi only gives the area or circumference of a true circle. Where the tyre flattens into corners, the distance will be greater than where it is not. The only thing which will alter the circumference of a tyre is very high rpm


View: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ukLgsGEzs
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Pi only gives the area or circumference of a true circle. Where the tyre flattens into corners, the distance will be greater than where it is not. The only thing which will alter the circumference of a tyre is very high rpm


View: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ukLgsGEzs

OK, I'll be the one to cry BS. Look up indirect TPMS. Then think of a fully deflated tyre. Then admit you're a bit wrong.
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
I don't know if mine does or not... :tongue:
I tried mine on a train. :smile:
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
And before we start to play games, I do mean the effective diameter of the wheel, which is what affects speedo measurements.
 

Linford

Guest
OK, I'll be the one to cry BS. Look up indirect TPMS. Then think of a fully deflated tyre. Then admit you're a bit wrong.
I'm happy to hold my hands up if wrong, if an inner tube is totally flat then the volume is very small, however we aren't measuring area, we are measuring the rolling radius. You could get small variation where a point on the tyre perimeter is dragging behind the corresponding point on the rim, but this woud be cancelled out if the tyre is only exposed to force in one direction.
 

donnydave

Über Member
Location
Cambridge
Pi only gives the area or circumference of a true circle. Where the tyre flattens into corners, the distance will be greater than where it is not. The only thing which will alter the circumference of a tyre is very high rpm


View: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ukLgsGEzs


Getting lost now, I think there's a bit of a contradiction there, high rpm can change the diamter of a tyre, as can increased load, hence the difference if I measure the static diameter (comprising 1 radius plus one "squashed" radius) and work out the circumference compared to the rolling along the floor method which ignored the error in the diameter measurement.

Either way my speedo is fine with the way I set it up, thanks!
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
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Maybe this is why my cycle 'puter never reads the same as a GPS - because I measure the tyre diameter by wheeling the bike, while the diameter would change when my weight is on the bike ...

Ah - the things one learns on CC ! :thumbsup:
There are some places where one can cycle, and runners have marked kilometre start/finish on the road or path. If you want accuracy then this is probably the closest you'll get. Motorway hardshoulders also have distance markers, but you might get in trouble cycling there!
 
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