Idiot politicians - who elects them?

[Brandane]

I guess she won't be heading to Uganda for a holiday any time soon then...We do live in a very tolerant and conservative society in the UK.

Or if you prefer; we pamper to the supposed needs of attention seeking nobbers.

 

[400bhp]

ABC

 

[ufkacbln]

Yes, it's not every day that a man comes out as a lesbian!

Trans-gender changes are complex.

Quite often a same sex relationship will continue with one partner changing their "role as well as their gender. For instance a lesbian partnership may become a "husband and wife with a male role being adopted by the trans-gender partner

Equally some heterosexual couples may remain together and become a "same sex" relationship when one partner changes gender and becomes the same sex as their partner

I think it is summed up by a quote from an article in the Gay and Lesbian Times:

When you’re male-to-female, people automatically assume [you] want to be with a man. But in reality, that isn’t what always happens. In fact, one third of us end up with other women, one third with men and about a third end up with other trans persons. What people don’t take into account is that it’s really about the person you fall in love with, not the body parts.

The complete article gives a variety of experiences and roles and may give some understanding of the complexities

 

[Linford]

Trans-gender changes are complex.

Quite often a same sex relationship will continue with one partner changing their "role as well as their gender. For instance a lesbian partnership may become a "husband and wife with a male role being adopted by the trans-gender partner

Equally some heterosexual couples may remain together and become a "same sex" relationship when one partner changes gender and becomes the same sex as their partner

I think it is summed up by a quote from an article in the Gay and Lesbian Times:



The complete article gives a variety of experiences and roles and may give some understanding of the complexities

If the body parts are not important, why go to the bother of getting them altered ?. I saw a series of documentaries a few years ago which had a lesbian couple who both wanted sex changes. One went through with it, but the other bottled. The relationship fell apart after the one became too masculine, and the other only really fancied women.

Everyone to their own, but the butch lesbian thing strikes as someone who doesn't really know what they are or want to be.

 

[ufkacbln]

Their lives, their decisions - it is called freedom of choice....

As for the "Butch lesbian" stereotype, says more about the bigotry and closed minded attitudes of others rather than the relationship of the individuals

 

[Melonfish]

i purposely spoil my ballot papers in protest. i care not for which party sees power or which mp gets the local seat as they are all as ignorant as the next. yes men and women all who will rob peter to pay paul whilst denouncing another politician of the opposing party for robbing paul to pay peter...

 

[Linford]

Their lives, their decisions - it is called freedom of choice....

As for the "Butch lesbian" stereotype, says more about the bigotry and closed minded attitudes of others rather than the relationship of the individuals

Are you saying that there aren't really any Butch Lesbians, or that other peoples perception of the life choices of these women are wrong ?

Note..I'm not confusing them with Women with GID

 

[Roadrider48]

Are you saying that there aren't really any Butch Lesbians, or that other peoples perception of the life choices of these women are wrong ?

Note..I'm not confusing them with Women with GID

I think he's objecting to the fact that you had the nerve to actually write "butch lesbians".
It's quite a common phrase. But hey ho,this is 2014.

 

[Linford]

I think he's objecting to the fact that you had the nerve to actually write "butch lesbians".
It's quite a common phrase. But hey ho,this is 2014.

i'm perhaps not questioning why Butch Lesbians want to dress and act in a given way, but more why other women are attracted to them...after all, if I were a woman looking for a relationship with another woman (because they are a woman), I'd probably start with someone who makes an effort to look like one.

Did you see the series 'Ladyboys' on TV where the strapping heating engineer from Oop North got a Thai Ladyboyfriend (Pang) and did after a while fess up that he might be Gay, but found it easier to come out with a man who acts like a woman, than going for the Freddy Mercury type beefcake...He admitted that he was in denial.

We may be in 2014, but the reality is that people are still judged by others by their appearances.

Going back to this Woman in the OP, shre she does still look like a bloke, but imagine having to live like that..Such a tough life she must have had before and after the op !

 

[brodiej]

.......if I were a woman looking for a relationship with another woman (because they are a woman), I'd probably start with someone who makes an effort to look like one.



We may be in 2014, but the reality is that people are still judged by others by their appearances....

I think you've just proved your own point

 

[Linford]

I think you've just proved your own point

You mean that some women are in denial so find it easier to come out by forming relationships with women who butch up ?

I've got a few friends who are lesbians, a couple who are in a very loving relationship, one butch, one mother of 5 kids. The Butch one is the most lovely person with an absolute heart of gold Who I have already and would continue to go that extra mile for. The Mother has a very hard shell butthen she has been throgh the mill (and some). Other couple both very girly girl stellar opposites. I'm certainly not condemning anyone for their life choices (especially if it gives them great happiness..which it clearly has), more intrigued what drives someone to decide they need to butch up.

 

[Linford]

You and your ludicrous optimism.

Don't ask me any queations if you won't answer mine Adrian Okaaaay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[brodiej]

You mean that some women are in denial so find it easier to come out by forming relationships with women who butch up ?

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No I definitely didn't mean that.

You said "We may be in 2014, but the reality is that people are still judged by others by their appearances." whilst making judgemental comments about people's appearance.

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy.

 

[Linford]

No I definitely didn't mean that.

You said "We may be in 2014, but the reality is that people are still judged by others by their appearances." whilst making judgemental comments about people's appearance.

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy.

Going Butch doesn't for one minute change someones personality or sexuality ...I'm just intrigued as to why someone would want to behave or dress in a masculine way ?

 

[Linford]

Did you jump before being pushed Adrian ?