Idiots on bikes

[Justinslow]

If that is your answer to an issue of danger on our roads, please don't tell your kids anything.

No it isn't my answer.
It's my response to you to try to influence millions of drivers!

 

[Justinslow]

If it was obvious, why the "?" ?

Its relevance.

 

[Tin Pot]

[QUOTE 4040553, member: 9609"]but what about the drivers who don't see to well? yes it would be nice to get them off the road, but in the mean time...[/QUOTE]

...Sabotage their cars?

 

[Tin Pot]

What amuses e is that places like Aldershot, Portsmouth, and other areas with high numbers of service personnel riding in camouflage do not have higher accident rates

Well, I'd shoot them too, as a mercy and quickly!

If they weren't armed.

 

[Justinslow]

What amuses e is that places like Aldershot, Portsmouth, and other areas with high numbers of service personnel riding in camouflage do not have higher accident rates

Having learned so much from the helmet debates and knowing from the evidence that we are so unlikely to have a road accident, why worry about the drivers anyway?

 

[Tin Pot]

Having learned so much from the helmet debates and knowing from the evidence that we are so unlikely to have a road accident, why worry about the drivers anyway?

Now you're just teasing...

 

[Justinslow]

If you think that poor diving is inevitable or unalterable, then I would rather you left talking to your kids to someone else.

No that's not what I think, as is pretty clear from this thread, every other driver that morning had lights on, they all did their bit.
What are you going to do about all these "poor drivers"?

 

[Justinslow]

Now you're just teasing...

No I'm not, @User wants to focus on all the bad drivers out there that errrr actually according to many on here don't actually cause us accidents, remember the evidence.......

 

[shouldbeinbed]

And I never said anything about "hi vis".


It seems pretty simple to me, if it's dodgy out there do something to make it less dodgy, whether it be turning a light on or putting on a pair of gloves or switching to winter tyres........common sense.

*not being provocative here just an alternative view* The number of random , unpredictable public mass shootings and gun sprees in the USA and the daily minor gun incidents that nobody knows about outside of the participants.

NRA common sense is more guns. In cycling terms that is like saying protect yourself from idiots in cars when on a bike by getting into a car as well.

The due diligence/common sense approach advocated for us cyclists of lighting and vizzing up is basically making ourselves the apologists, the blamed victims and seeking to solve the problem of poor or ignorant driving by mitigation, without attending to the root cause.

In gun terms that is like walking around San Bernardino today or strolling into Sandy Hook or Columbine or wherever and haranguing the victims for not going about their daily lives and to school in a bulletproof vest and ballistic helmet.

The parallels are there on control too - gun control in America is as popular amongst many & seemingly as likely as in driving terms introducing regular (5 yearly?? Less???) compulsory competency testing to retain a licence to propel 2 tons of lethal machinery in public or far more realistic and appropriate judicial sentencing for the consequences, intended or not, of failures to adequately control said killing machine.

Nobody is blaming victims of misused guns in the hands of dangerous idiots for being normal people doing normal things in a normal manner, so why are some so hot and bothered that cyclists should have to go that extra mile in self preservation?

For the sake of clarity: I do go that mile and more myself out of sheer pragmatism of living in an imperfect system that from the law makers in Westminster down through judiciary and enforcement to the bottom half of the Daily Mail and a popular media which subjugates my right to safety however I choose to present myself on a bike under the no more significant or necessary needs of driving and drivers not to be impeded or adequately penalised for poor practice or worse. Also in a system where even many of those that share my passion for and practice of cycling will so readily castigate me if I didn't conform to this enhanced level of protectionism and passive victimhood, while shrugging their shoulders and saying 'what more can we do' when (ykwim) better vehicle control is brought up as the answer.

Better standards of driving will save more lives than all the PPE we can get.

*edit, typos fixed now*

 

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[ufkacbln]

Having learned so much from the helmet debates and knowing from the evidence that we are so unlikely to have a road accident, why worry about the drivers anyway?

Correct

Anyone who is an experienced cyclist will know that you do exactly this

You are aware of the vehicles around you and that is it......... I certainly am not worried about other vehicles, and trust them to react appropriately and correctly

That is the way the roads work.

 

[Justinslow]

Correct

Anyone who is an experienced cyclist will know that you do exactly this

You are aware of the vehicles around you and that is it......... I certainly am not worried about other vehicles, and trust them to react appropriately and correctly

That is the way the roads work.

Yep otherwise you'd always be looking over your shoulder.
So why all the anti "common sense" to the wider public you sound like fools (no offence).

The two accidents I have refered to in the helmet thread didn't involve vehicles.

 

[ufkacbln]

Yep otherwise you'd always be looking over your shoulder.
So why all the anti "common sense" to the wider public you sound like fools (no offence).

The two accidents I have referred to in the helmet thread didn't involve vehicles.

However your post (to which this was a reply did

.... why worry about the drivers anyway?

... or did you mean we should be worrying about drivers when they are not in the vehicles?

 

[ufkacbln]

Better standards of driving will save more lives than all the PPE we can get.

This is where the motoring lobby wins hands down.....

In any other situation there are lots of steps to remove, or reduce the danger before PPE is used.

Yet when it comes to the roads, it jumps straight to PPE rathere than address the real issues

 

[GrumpyGregry]

It seems pretty simple to me, if it's dodgy out there do something to make it less dodgy, whether it be turning a light on or putting on a pair of gloves or switching to winter tyres........common sense.

That is tantamount to victim blaming. Victim blamers are the very embodiment of lobotomised shitlarkary.