Idiots on bikes

[Tin Pot]

I believe that its 'due diligence' on my part by wearing hi-viz clothing and having my bike lit up like a Christmas tree, (and to a lesser extent wearing a helmet) as it leaves less opportunity for another road user (or pedestrian for that matter) to say they didnt see me in the event of an accident. At the end of October this year I was involved in a collision with a car where the driver performed a move without checking his mirror before executing his manoeuvre. Im not saying that I consider myself safer because I choose to wear what I wear or have the lights fitted as I do, nor am I saying that anyone who chooses otherwise is less safer on the roads. If I choose to wear hi-viz and have my bike well lit up then what other excuses can a driver use for not seeing me properly other than that they were not paying attention to their surroundings (assuming I am riding in an appropriate and lawful manner).

Understandable, but wouldn't it be great if you carried out due diligence on controls that actually reduced your chances of being hurt?

...And wouldn't it be great if your recovery controls didn't undermine the effective preventative controls?

 

[Tin Pot]

Or just use common sense and bypass all the bull##it......

Namely, to be a good reasoner, one must have both the capacity to do whatever computation is necessary (i.e., cognitive ability, intelligence) and the willingness to engage deliberative reasoning processes

 

[Justinslow]

Namely, to be a good reasoner, one must have both the capacity to do whatever computation is necessary (i.e., cognitive ability, intelligence) and the willingness to engage deliberative reasoning processes

So what should I tell my kids?

 

[Tin Pot]

So what should I tell my kids?

Tell them to ask someone who is willing to think and understand the problem before giving them advice.

 

[Justinslow]

No one is saying that cyclists shouldn't use lights.

And I never said anything about "hi vis".

No, but it is yet another situation where your intuition is faulty, and leads you to focus on the wrong things entirely.

Your "but it's common sense" position is plain wrong - maybe you should open your mind as to why so many people on this thread are telling you so.

It could be that they have a better understanding of the problem that you could learn from...I know I did.

It seems pretty simple to me, if it's dodgy out there do something to make it less dodgy, whether it be turning a light on or putting on a pair of gloves or switching to winter tyres........common sense.

 

[Justinslow]

Tell them to ask someone who is willing to think and understand the problem before giving them advice.

Ok so the guys and gals in the pic you posted then.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

To be seen or not to be seen. That is the question.

 

[Justinslow]

Tell them to ask someone who is willing to think and understand the problem before giving them advice.

Nice swerve by the way.

 

[Justinslow]

To be seen or not to be seen. That is the question.

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[Tin Pot]

Ok so the guys and gals in the pic you posted then.

As I've said, you can't learn if you're not willing to set aside your assumptions and prejudices. Consider many alternative answers and look for evidence for each of them.

Common sense and intuition are for people who have neither the capacity nor desire to understand how things really are.

 

[mickle]

I believe that its 'due diligence' on my part by wearing hi-viz clothing and having my bike lit up like a Christmas tree, (and to a lesser extent wearing a helmet) as it leaves less opportunity for another road user (or pedestrian for that matter) to say they didnt see me in the event of an accident. At the end of October this year I was involved in a collision with a car where the driver performed a move without checking his mirror before executing his manoeuvre. Im not saying that I consider myself safer because I choose to wear what I wear or have the lights fitted as I do, nor am I saying that anyone who chooses otherwise is less safer on the roads. If I choose to wear hi-viz and have my bike well lit up then what other excuses can a driver use for not seeing me properly other than that they were not paying attention to their surroundings (assuming I am riding in an appropriate and lawful manner).

Slippery slope though.

 

[Justinslow]

Or perhaps, and much much much more importantly, addressing the issue of people not really looking properly when driving.

Good luck with that........

 

[Justinslow]

Ironic juxtapose of two sorts of clothing designed with polar opposite intentions?

Obviously, and at that moment in time probably entirely acceptable.

 

[ufkacbln]

What amuses e is that places like Aldershot, Portsmouth, and other areas with high numbers of service personnel riding in camouflage do not have higher accident rates

 

[Justinslow]

Or perhaps, and much much much more importantly, addressing the issue of people not really looking properly when driving.

And I was getting told off by Glenn for trying to solve the worlds ills........