Idiots on bikes

[Tin Pot]

You've got that backwards: I wrote that rude and nasty lights are unapproved lights. I acknowledged that there are some OK unapproved lights, but how else can you tell which, short of testing them yourself? Lots of cyclists seem keen to recommend nasty dazzlers.

Good grief have you seen MTB lights?

£500+ in lighting to turn night trails into day time with bike, chest and head mounted lights!

Yes, you would see them coming the other way as you veered into a crowded bus stop full of children...

 

[benb]

It is not binary - there are many degrees between paying no attention and giving full attention to the road.

Of course, but I am unconvinced that high vis can possibly make the difference between a driver seeing and not seeing a cyclist.

 

[benb]

you can suggest what you like, pee wee.

What do you mean by "pee wee"?

 

[Simontm]

I've always wondered about the psychology of hi-viz as in is it too ubiquitous?
A mate calls his hi-viz work jacket his cloak of invisibility and I wonder whether because there is so much of it around, builders, coppers, school kids, cyclists, cows(!), people almost become inured to the colours so mentally it doesn't attract attention any more.
Absolutely no evidence or research on this and am just musing about unintended effects.
Personally, I have found that whether I wear black, blue, orange, lemon, reflective, hi-viz, some people are twats on the road no matter what their transportation, only the possible outcome changes.

 

[Tin Pot]

I've always wondered about the psychology of hi-viz as in is it too ubiquitous?
A mate calls his hi-viz work jacket his cloak of invisibility and I wonder whether because there is so much of it around, builders, coppers, school kids, cyclists, cows(!), people almost become inured to the colours so mentally it doesn't attract attention any more.
Absolutely no evidence or research on this and am just musing about unintended effects.
Personally, I have found that whether I wear black, blue, orange, lemon, reflective, hi-viz, some people are twats on the road no matter what their transportation, only the possible outcome changes.

I just think of Only Fools and Horses.

Since that episode theyve found a marketing scam to get rid of all that hiviz paint.

 

[glenn forger]

Absolutely no evidence or research on this and am just musing about unintended effects.

A 23-year-old woman wept in court as she recalled the moment police told her the lollipop man she hit with her car had died.

Raymond Elsmore, 82, was struck while helping a pedestrian cross Tempest Avenue, Waterlooville, in 2012.

Lauren Paul, denies causing death by careless driving.

A crash investigator told a trial at Southampton Crown Court Mr Elsmore's high-visibility jacket would have blended in with the bright sunshine.

PC Edward Wilson said: "It would be very difficult to pick him out".

Not guilty:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-27603938

 

[Simontm]

Not guilty:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-27603938

That is not what I was pondering about. I was just musing whether, like people get used to trains at the bottom of the garden, people get inured to hi-viz because it is all over the place - not about certain conditions.

 

[liambauckham]

i wear my sunglasses at night with no lights and dressed head to toe in black on a black bike........ beat that dangerous brian

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Yet all the emergency services have it emblazoned across their vehicles, its used on clothing across the construction industry and manufacturing, why? Could it possibly be that these people are easier to see in ALL conditions?

Clearly not:

That is the back-end of a police car that was stationary, with its blue and red warning lights in operation, protecting occupants of a broken down car on a country road but a farkwit driving a coach didn't see it and smashed it into the crash barrier and pushed it along the road for 250 feet.

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[Justinslow]

Clearly not:

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That is the back-end of a police car that was stationary, with its blue and red warning lights in operation, protecting occupants of a broken down car on a country road but a farkwit driving a coach didn't see it and smashed it into the crash barrier and pushed it along the road for 250 feet.

GC

As has been said there clearly are people about who shouldn't be driving. It's not a regular everyday occurrence though is it? I mean if you can't see the retina burning blue lights flashing what hope is there for anybody?

 

[glenn forger]

It's not a regular everyday occurrence though is it?

£1.4m motor insurance claims every day. Drivers routinely collide with walls, trees, bridges, rivers, buildings, people.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

...I mean if you can't see the retina burning blue lights flashing what hope is there for anybody?

Exactly. So the presence or absence of hi-vis has nothing to do with it, it's drivers not looking. Like that one.


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[Justinslow]

Exactly. So the presence or absence of hi-vis has nothing to do with it, it's drivers not looking. Like that one.



GC

Fair enough, if that's what you think, I just don't think it's as clear cut as that.
What about the bin Lorry driver up your neck of the woods, he didn't see anything because he couldn't, he was unconscious!
Sometimes sh## happens, most other times it can be avoided - whether that be by using your common sense or by the other party driving better.

 

[Justinslow]

£1.4m motor insurance claims every day. Drivers routinely collide with walls, trees, bridges, rivers, buildings, people.

No Glen - not a regular occurrence someone smashing the crap out of the rear of a parked police car with blue lights flashing, jeez.

 

[glenn forger]

Been happening for fifty years old darling: