Meh. What's your answer to the question about what the difference is from a motorist's perspective?All sounds to me like a lot of excuses to do something stupid and illegal.
Meh. What's your answer to the question about what the difference is from a motorist's perspective?All sounds to me like a lot of excuses to do something stupid and illegal.
Yes I remember it too, I still remembered most of the words too, very effective isn't it?Lol I remember this as a kid, brought back some funny memories! So what we can work out from this is we all need Silver all in ones??... I don't think they even did road helmets at that time. I used to race BMX and had a YES BMX helmet instead
No difference. As I said, drivers shouldn't drive into things.Meh. What's your answer to the question about what the difference is from a motorist's perspective?
@Moderators can we please delete every post on the thread except this one.Only idiots don't ride with lights at night.
Car drivers should make sure they don't drive into anything by looking where they are going and not smash into anything lit or otherwise.
It's entirely possible, even desirable, for both these to be true.
No difference. As I said, drivers shouldn't drive into things.
Also cyclists shouldn't ride without lights. And if their dog ate it, then don't ride. If for whatever reason I can't drive, I don't. If I can't cycle I dont.
You are making the assumption the only issue with not having lights is cars not seeing them. It does not account for other road user (cyclists, pedestrains) particularly the elderly who cannot see as well.What's the purpose of drawing an equivalence between these two completely different things, except empty moralizing? Why are you unable to address the absolute responsibility of one road user not to kill or maim another, without dishing out useless advice to others?
You are making the assumption the only issue with not having lights is cars not seeing them. It does not account for other road user (cyclists, pedestrains) particularly the elderly who cannot see as well.
You are fast moving, you are traffic, you need to-be-seen lights for yours and everyone else's safety.
So a cyclist endangering other road users (including pedestrians and cyclists) particularly the young and the elderly by having no lights are......?Actually, I'm not - it's you're assumption, because you've bought into the terms set by the OP. I always use a front light in darkness, and yet I don't believe it protects me from poor driver-observation, so obviously I'm using it for other purposes. However, it is for the benefit of pedestrians as well as cyclists that lighting levels need to be brought down, not up. They are the biggest losers in the lighting arms race.
Having no lights does not in itself endanger anyone - we're back to the requirement of being able (and prepared) to stop comfortably in the distance one can see to be clear. It's not rocket science to figure out that having lights increases that distance at a given speed, and signals your presence overtly to other road users so that they can adjust their behaviour to accomodate you. That should also tell you that lights are a licence to go faster, and to expect that people will get or keep out of your way - that's an advantage to you, not a courtesy to them. Where precisely the boundary between the two lies is perpetually negotiable, but I'd argue that cyclists are currently too assertive in their relationship with pedestrians, and not assertive enough in their relationship with cars. There's no excuse for cyclists endangering pedestrians and other cyclists - this point actually has very little to do with lighting.So a cyclist endangering other road users (including pedestrians and cyclists) particularly the young and the elderly by having no lights are......?
Except a zillion pages ago you told me my white van was useless!!! Make your mind up, is it any wonder we get confused at your ramblings?
You really think that white stands out against the light grey winter sky, the white fog, white frost and (once it finally gets this far south) white snow?
Only idiots don't ride with lights at night.
Also cyclists shouldn't ride without lights.
So a cyclist endangering other road users (including pedestrians and cyclists) particularly the young and the elderly by having no lights are......?
8am was not after sunset in Suffolk
And today's pedant points go to...Yes it was.
It was after sunset the previous day.