Increase in seizures of illegal ebikes

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Dadam

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I have also seen quite a few comments where people say that they need to be able to ride at 20 mph (or greater)
"Because riding at a slower speed on a road is just not safe"

It's much more nuanced than that and 20 would help more people to ditch the car.

I've commuted on a non electric hybrid and folder, and on 3 different ebikes:

Half the journey is flat and mostly on segregated paths, for which any bike would be fine. The other half is on congested suburban roads and one hairy stretch of about 1/4 mile of 3 lanes of 40 limit with rush hour traffic, where during that 1/4 mile I have to get to the outside lane to turn right. Then nearer me there's a mile long hill that hits 9% just where there's some busy T junctions for side roads with lots of parked cars and a Tesco where people are always turning in.

On the 3 lane stretch I always put some real effort in to get up to around 20mph as it does feel much safer on that stretch than 15mph. That is obviously above the cutoff. On the folder and the hybrid it was doable. On the e-road bike very much so too. On the eMTB (heavy, knobbly tyres) it was very difficult to get over about 16mph and usually bounced around the edge of the cutoff. That stretch feels more dangerous on the eMTB because the speed differential is higher so it effectively reduces the gap for safe lane changes.

On the uphill section things are different again. The eMTB with its increased torque makes it easy to maintain 15mph even up the steepest bit and that feels far safer passing the parked cars and getting past the Tesco entrance. On the e-road bike I can do 10mph on this section, which isn't too bad but the perceived risk is higher.

On the unpowered bikes I'm doing maybe 6mph, 5 if there's a bad headwind (not unusual as that's the direction of the prevailing winds).
Obviously a bike is less stable at just over walking pace which increases risk, both time passing the parked cars, and the space needed.
 

Drago

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When I was at my fittest,probably around my early 40s, I could easily maintain a speed in excess of a legal ebike. Uphill or down dale. Indeed, when I got my first ebike I had to learn to slow down to benefit, which took a lot to overcome the ingrained habit of grinding everywhere at warp 9.

Now though, while I can still easily peak past an ebike and in good conditions maintain an average above 15.5, it ain't getting easier and I dont even bother trying to uphill, any more.
 
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Dogtrousers

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Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
250W will comfortably propel you along 18+ mph on the flat. In a pack over 20mph is easily achievable.

But I am a human e-bike. I have a 15.5mph cutout.

Any faster on the flat just wastes energy fighting the wind. And I'd blow up pretty quickly if I tried to ride around everywhere at threshold. I am a human e-bike with a not very big battery.
 
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Dogtrousers

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Err

Its incorrect

. EAPCs – Road Legal
EAPC stands for ‘Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle’. In the UK, you don’t require a licence to ride a pedal-assisted e-bike or get it insured, taxed, and registered, given its motor is below 250w and speed below 15.5km/h.

What's wrong with that? I mean there are fine details like "continuously rated" and "assistance cutoff" that they have missed, and possibly other details about throttles, grandfathered-in bikes etc but it's broadly true, if a bit imprecise.

This, however, is dodgy ...

You can ride an EAPC without a licence. On the other hand, if you exceed the speed limit or ride an off-road electric bicycle that doesn’t follow the EAPC rules, you can be prosecuted for riding without a licence and insurance. Additionally, exceeding the speed limit for any e-bike can result in getting a fine or points on your license

As they've gone to pains to explain that an EAPC is a type of e-bike, using the term "any e-bike" implies you can get points for speeding on an EAPC which I don't think is true, is it?
 
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CXRAndy

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What's wrong with that? I mean there are fine details like "continuously rated" and "assistance cutoff" that they have missed, and possibly other details about throttles, grandfathered-in bikes etc but it's broadly true, if a bit imprecise.

This, however, is dodgy ...

You can ride an EAPC without a licence. On the other hand, if you exceed the speed limit or ride an off-road electric bicycle that doesn’t follow the EAPC rules, you can be prosecuted for riding without a licence and insurance. Additionally, exceeding the speed limit for any e-bike can result in getting a fine or points on your license

As they've gone to pains to explain that an EAPC is a type of e-bike, using the term "any e-bike" implies you can get points for speeding on an EAPC which I don't think is true, is it.
Its 25kph not 15.5kph

It should have said 15.5MPH
 
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