It's been bugging me all night

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Discretion is always the better part of valour. Best to back down and let karma sort these feckers out. I had a 'run in ' with some local 'yoof' who insisted on riding a motorbike along the Bristol railway path last summer. One shouted at me 'You takin' pictures mate?' as he spotted that I had my phone out and was trying to record the reg plate. Colleague at work suggested that I let it go as some of these little sheisters carry knives:stop:.


As @Drago pointed out discretion is vital


Last time I "intervened" was in Portsmouth City Centre where there was an elderly Gent being picked on by a group of three or four yobs

From some thirty yards away in a crowd of people, I "bravely" shouted

"Police - you in the grey hoodie stand still"

They scarpered.....

Of course I probably committed an offence by "impersonating" a Police officer.... but it worked
 

gavroche

Getting old but not past it
Location
North Wales
You did the right thing Accy. I have a black belt in karate but that was 40 odd years ago. I wouldn't rate my chances against several opponents. Even on one to one, at my age, I don't have the stamina, suppleness of 40 years ago. Walking away from trouble is always the best bet. Just report the car to the police and let them deal with it.
 

postman

Legendary Member
Location
,Leeds
Accy walk away what happens in Jack Reacher does not happen in real life.They were just todays scum bags,with no life whatsoever.They were tough because they outnumbered you.Forget them and the incident.They are just not worth it,one day you might read of a car crash where said occupants were either drunk or drugged up or even both,they are not worth worrying about.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Mr Irish. In the Eighties the FBI did a comprehensive bit of research with a view to updating the self defence training for their personnel. They reviewed hundreds of thousands of assault reports to see what worked in real life, and what did not. There was the odd individual case where a death Ninja specialist won the day, or individuals hopped up on drugs, but the only factor that gave a consistently above average chance of victory was muscle mass. They're harder to inflict injury upon, have a greater capacity for continuing to fight when injured, and simple physics dictates they can apply more force.

Humans are omnivores and would take live prey in the wild. Our eyes are on the front of our head because were predators, not prey. Were genetically programmed to assess oir prey and this programming instinctively tells them they're on to a loser when their prey significantly outsizes them. At a whisker under 6'4" and 265lbs (and I'm not a fatty, ex bodybuilder and power lifter) I'm American pro wrestler territory size. I'm expert in such matters (more on that in a moment) and your assertion that size doesn't matter is almost universally incorrect.

I'm also H2H trained in the army, an ex boxer, a black belt at TKD, BG/CP trained, and was a qualified defensive tactics instructor, and a specialist bicycle defensive tactics instructor (bikes can make grand weapons and shields) so thank you formyour concern but I'm well able to read and assess the tactical situation to determine whether its best to hold or fold. I've also a healthy dollop of cocky confidence, so even when I'm scared I don't give aggressors the warning signs they'll be subliminally looking for when anticipating a spirited physical defence, such as groundkicking, face redenning (followed by sudden draining of colour), chin dropping to protect wind pipe, large hand gestures, target acquisition glances, or other tell tell signs of impending physical attack/resistance.

Perhaps you could enlighten as to your credentials in the field of defensive tactics Mr Irish, and explain to us what expertise your comment is based upon?

I'd rather not fight, it's undignified, but if its imperative to do so then I'll don't with maximum speed and aggression, then I'll be off in my toes. The cash point incident I stood a fair chance of getting hurt if I did nothing, so had nothing to lose by acting. A few seconds pretending I was scared and fumbling for my wallet and they were into my fighting arc with anticipation...

Accy isn't me, he may or may not have my mindset and physical attributes, but he did what he felt was sensible at the time, and I respect that decision. If it had been me they may well have been less likely to gob off, or they could have all been up on crack and feeling ready to fight Hulk Hogan. I'm pleased he's not hurt but genuinely saddened to hear that he's been left upset (Accy that is, not Hulk Hogan)
 
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Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
this is a very poor mind set for anyone to believe in, people who fight, fight because they can, size, age etc mean nothing, people who shout abuse without a care can be dangerous, groups of aggressive people can be very unpredictable, so yes the soundbite of the above blab blab blab gets us all nodding in agreement but it can lead one into very dangerous situations,
I'm not saying it's not a potentially dangerous situation for the unwary passer-bye. I'm saying they are gutless. If they really wanted to fight, they'd be fighting already, not waiting for some middle class banker who weighs 10 stone to tell them to shut up and thus justify (in their minds) an assault.
 

potsy

Rambler
Location
My Armchair
Mr Irish. In the Eighties the FBI did a comprehensive bit of research with a view to updating the self defence training for their personnel. They reviewed hundreds of thousands of assault reports to see what worked in real life, and what did not. There was the odd individual case where a death Ninja specialist won the day, or individuals hopped up on drugs, but the only factor that gave a consistently above average chance of victory was muscle mass. They're harder to inflict injury upon, have a greater capacity for continuing to fight when injured, and simple physics dictates they can apply more force.

Humans are omnivores and would take live prey in the wild. Our eyes are on the front of our head because were predators, not prey. Were genetically programmed to assess oir prey and this programming instinctively tells them they're on to a loser when their prey significantly outsizes them. At a whisker under 6'4" and 265lbs (and I'm not a fatty, ex bodybuilder and power lifter) I'm American pro wrestler territory size. I'm expert in such matters (more on that in a moment) and your assertion that size doesn't matter is almost universally incorrect.

I'm also H2H trained in the army, an ex boxer, a black belt at TKD, BG/CP trained, and was a qualified defensive tactics instructor, and a specialist bicycle defensive tactics instructor (bikes can make grand weapons and shields) so thank you formyour concern but I'm well able to read and assess the tactical situation to determine whether its best to hold or fold. I've also a healthy dollop of cocky confidence, so even when I'm scared I don't give aggressors the warning signs they'll be subliminally looking for when anticipating a spirited physical defence, such as groundkicking, face redenning (followed by sudden draining of colour), chin dropping to protect wind pipe, large hand gestures, target acquisition glances, or other tell tell signs of impending physical attack/resistance.

Perhaps you could enlighten as to your credentials in the field of defensive tactics Mr Irish, and explain to us what expertise your comment is based upon?

I'd rather not fight, it's undignified, but if its imperative to do so then I'll don't with maximum speed and aggression, then I'll be off in my toes. The cash point incident I stood a fair chance of getting hurt if I did nothing, so had nothing to lose by acting. A few seconds pretending I was scared and fumbling for my wallet and they were into my fighting arc with anticipation...

Accy isn't me, he may or may not have my mindset and physical attributes, but he did what he felt was sensible at the time, and I respect that decision. If it had been me they may well have been less likely to gob off, or they could have all been up on crack and feeling ready to fight Hulk Hogan. I'm pleased he's not hurt but genuinely saddened to hear that he's been left upset (Accy that is, not Hulk Hogan)

I always knew Drago was really Jack Reacher, or even better a mix of him and Jason Statham :wub:
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I always knew Drago was really Jack Reacher, or even better a mix of him and Jason Statham :wub:

A sort of balding Jack Reacher, who says "oooooh aaar" a lot.
 
Mr Irish. In the Eighties the FBI did a comprehensive bit of research with a view to updating the self defence training for their personnel. They reviewed hundreds of thousands of assault reports to see what worked in real life, and what did not. There was the odd individual case where a death Ninja specialist won the day, or individuals hopped up on drugs, but the only factor that gave a consistently above average chance of victory was muscle mass. They're harder to inflict injury upon, have a greater capacity for continuing to fight when injured, and simple physics dictates they can apply more force.

Humans are omnivores and would take live prey in the wild. Our eyes are on the front of our head because were predators, not prey. Were genetically programmed to assess oir prey and this programming instinctively tells them they're on to a loser when their prey significantly outsizes them. At a whisker under 6'4" and 265lbs (and I'm not a fatty, ex bodybuilder and power lifter) I'm American pro wrestler territory size. I'm expert in such matters (more on that in a moment) and your assertion that size doesn't matter is almost universally incorrect.

I'm also H2H trained in the army, an ex boxer, a black belt at TKD, BG/CP trained, and was a qualified defensive tactics instructor, and a specialist bicycle defensive tactics instructor (bikes can make grand weapons and shields) so thank you formyour concern but I'm well able to read and assess the tactical situation to determine whether its best to hold or fold. I've also a healthy dollop of cocky confidence, so even when I'm scared I don't give aggressors the warning signs they'll be subliminally looking for when anticipating a spirited physical defence, such as groundkicking, face redenning (followed by sudden draining of colour), chin dropping to protect wind pipe, large hand gestures, target acquisition glances, or other tell tell signs of impending physical attack/resistance.

Perhaps you could enlighten as to your credentials in the field of defensive tactics Mr Irish, and explain to us what expertise your comment is based upon?

I'd rather not fight, it's undignified, but if its imperative to do so then I'll don't with maximum speed and aggression, then I'll be off in my toes. The cash point incident I stood a fair chance of getting hurt if I did nothing, so had nothing to lose by acting. A few seconds pretending I was scared and fumbling for my wallet and they were into my fighting arc with anticipation...

Accy isn't me, he may or may not have my mindset and physical attributes, but he did what he felt was sensible at the time, and I respect that decision. If it had been me they may well have been less likely to gob off, or they could have all been up on crack and feeling ready to fight Hulk Hogan. I'm pleased he's not hurt but genuinely saddened to hear that he's been left upset (Accy that is, not Hulk Hogan)
You looked a fat git in the pic you posted a short time ago, pudgy face and silly beard?
 

Drago

Legendary Member
You looked a fat git in the pic you posted a short time ago, pudgy face and silly beard?
I has holding my breath. The beard comes and goes depending on how lazy/arty I feel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Mo Farah, with more fat in my Quorn than my body, but I still maintain a chest that measures 16-18" more than my waist, so I'm not a bloaty spare tyre lardo either.
 
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