Just interested. I have an equally intractable problem at work. It's gone on for some considerable time (over a year) and very hard to deal with. Unlike crankarm I don't have to work with this person all the time and unlike crankarm's case they aren't my boss. So I'm just interested if you'll forgive the asking.
My Boss is an a-hole
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Just interested. I have an equally intractable problem at work. It's gone on for some considerable time (over a year) and very hard to deal with. Unlike crankarm I don't have to work with this person all the time and unlike crankarm's case they aren't my boss. So I'm just interested if you'll forgive the asking.
If its well paid and your boss is just an arse, shut up and put up with it.
1.There are far worse jobs you could do on minimum wage and still have an arse for a boss.
2. Leave when you find another job (if your lucky).
Not many people win a constructive dismissal case especailly when they already have something on your file.
All of the above is my opinion not that I expect it's worth much.
1.There are far worse jobs you could do on minimum wage and still have an arse for a boss.
2. Leave when you find another job (if your lucky).
Not many people win a constructive dismissal case especailly when they already have something on your file.
All of the above is my opinion not that I expect it's worth much.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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I thought my boss was bad, certainly nothing like yours cranky. Certainly collect evidence, I do with my boss.
I work on an outlying site, so only occasional contact with him. Can be fine face to face or on phone, but has a terrible habit of sending rude and angry emails late at night, anything from 11pm to 1am. Makes me think he has been on the ale. Did confront him about it (didn't mention beer) but suggested sending emails at that time of night wasn't good work life balance, and the tone of his emails showed this. He got a bit narked saying it was the only chance he had, but he hasn't sent me any more.
I work on an outlying site, so only occasional contact with him. Can be fine face to face or on phone, but has a terrible habit of sending rude and angry emails late at night, anything from 11pm to 1am. Makes me think he has been on the ale. Did confront him about it (didn't mention beer) but suggested sending emails at that time of night wasn't good work life balance, and the tone of his emails showed this. He got a bit narked saying it was the only chance he had, but he hasn't sent me any more.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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- South Manchester
Weigh up the positives as well. Do you have a trusted colleague or partner you can discuss with, I have a few, we are all in the same team and have the same dislike for the manager. My wife does keep reminding me I get good holidays which is great when you have kids, and I'm not working long hours and travelling lots like in my last two jobs.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
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- Scotland
I don't know the figures for cases won but I wouldn't be put off putting up a case, even if the employer had something on my file (which, in my case, they did). What matters is the amount and quality of evidence against the employer, and the credibility of the complainer. My disciplinary offence was admitted and dealt with, it had no bearing on, nor did it justify, the conduct of my employer which lead to my claim.
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Risex4
Dropped by the autobus
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- The Green/Gray Hills Of Debunshire
I've skim read this but alot of what I've seen is nail on head stuff.
You've got two choices, accept it as it is or act. Now.
Speak to your HR departnent and raise an official complaint. No-one will have any sympathy for you (in mean in terms of constructive dismissal) if you simply pack you bags and leave without trying to engage the channels which are meant to be there to protect you.
Can you go above his head; does he have an immediate line manager you can contact? Maybe, maybe not. His liney might be as bad. Or not care. Or may make things worse by handling it badly. He just may be able put some influence on. Just asking the question.
Ask yourself, and be 100% brutally honest here; have you done something to attract this behaviour? Do you put yourself across the right way?
Is he like this to multiple people, or is it really just you?
Evidence, evidence, evidence, as has been said.
I hate bullyboy managers. They can be beaten one way or another, it just takes alot of hard work and a cast iron resolve to see it through. It all depends on how agrieved you are by it.
You've got two choices, accept it as it is or act. Now.
Speak to your HR departnent and raise an official complaint. No-one will have any sympathy for you (in mean in terms of constructive dismissal) if you simply pack you bags and leave without trying to engage the channels which are meant to be there to protect you.
Can you go above his head; does he have an immediate line manager you can contact? Maybe, maybe not. His liney might be as bad. Or not care. Or may make things worse by handling it badly. He just may be able put some influence on. Just asking the question.
Ask yourself, and be 100% brutally honest here; have you done something to attract this behaviour? Do you put yourself across the right way?
Is he like this to multiple people, or is it really just you?
Evidence, evidence, evidence, as has been said.
I hate bullyboy managers. They can be beaten one way or another, it just takes alot of hard work and a cast iron resolve to see it through. It all depends on how agrieved you are by it.
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
If the company is big enough to have a HR department, they're big enough to replace the jumped up little shoot of a boss you have (unless he got the position through nepotism).
One of my former bosses flat refused to give me a full time job when they were short staffed, so I got a full time job elsewhere because I couldn't survive on 20hours a week. Thing is I hated the back up job so much i was ready to quit after a week. Meanwhile... my former boss had been gotten rid of because he was crap and I got my full time job.
A mate of mine had a crap boss who just shouted at people and did bugger all else. After a row he left the job, only to be called back within a week... crap stock manager sacked and lowly yet upstanding shelf stacker returns.
anecdotes i know but chances are you're not the only one who can see his crapness.
One of my former bosses flat refused to give me a full time job when they were short staffed, so I got a full time job elsewhere because I couldn't survive on 20hours a week. Thing is I hated the back up job so much i was ready to quit after a week. Meanwhile... my former boss had been gotten rid of because he was crap and I got my full time job.
A mate of mine had a crap boss who just shouted at people and did bugger all else. After a row he left the job, only to be called back within a week... crap stock manager sacked and lowly yet upstanding shelf stacker returns.
anecdotes i know but chances are you're not the only one who can see his crapness.
Raging Squirrel
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I have the same problem. My boss is a scrawny middle aged buck toothed woman who has a hatred for men and scousers. We used to be quite close when she was supervisor, I was sat on what is affectionately know as "the golden table" which is where her harem of favourites sit. She used to tell me everything, and she was always the first person I'd go to if I needed anything. She was the one who used to tell me to go for other positions in the department to better myself and always suggested if anyone was off sick or on maternity that I cover their role to stronghold my position in the office.
That all changed when the manager left and she moved into the manager role. All of a sudden I was the badboy. I was covering a colleagues job which meant staying longer and working twice as hard (I was still doing my previous role at the same time). I never got any praise or anything. During this period, another colleague and myself were asked to swap from a normal 9-5 to a 10-6 on alternate weeks. This was a hassle for me because I take my brother to work, I look after my mum and I was going to the gym for health reasons. My colleague dropped out so another had to replace him......this went on for 9 months. At the end of it, I was on holiday for a week so a colleague had to cover my shift, and they organised to split the last week between them and another person. When I got back I was basically told I was doing that shift, and when I said I wasn't, that's when we stopped communicating.
Now I don't get a hello, a bye....nothing. She's totally unapproachable. She has her harem of golden boys on her desk who can basically do whatever they like, which includes extended breaks and an hour of footy talk before any work is done in the morning. The rest of the staff are now treated like shoot, can never be more than a minute late from their break, and we're never allowed to talk.
Now things have changed and are so bad, I go out of my way to be as unhelpful as I can and make things harder for her. I've told her I don't like her, or the way she tries to run the office. My girlfriend works in HR so her and the senior management know what's going on before my boss tried to pull a fast one.
basically, she's an peanut, we all hate her, and we all wish our old boss was back!
That all changed when the manager left and she moved into the manager role. All of a sudden I was the badboy. I was covering a colleagues job which meant staying longer and working twice as hard (I was still doing my previous role at the same time). I never got any praise or anything. During this period, another colleague and myself were asked to swap from a normal 9-5 to a 10-6 on alternate weeks. This was a hassle for me because I take my brother to work, I look after my mum and I was going to the gym for health reasons. My colleague dropped out so another had to replace him......this went on for 9 months. At the end of it, I was on holiday for a week so a colleague had to cover my shift, and they organised to split the last week between them and another person. When I got back I was basically told I was doing that shift, and when I said I wasn't, that's when we stopped communicating.
Now I don't get a hello, a bye....nothing. She's totally unapproachable. She has her harem of golden boys on her desk who can basically do whatever they like, which includes extended breaks and an hour of footy talk before any work is done in the morning. The rest of the staff are now treated like shoot, can never be more than a minute late from their break, and we're never allowed to talk.
Now things have changed and are so bad, I go out of my way to be as unhelpful as I can and make things harder for her. I've told her I don't like her, or the way she tries to run the office. My girlfriend works in HR so her and the senior management know what's going on before my boss tried to pull a fast one.
basically, she's an peanut, we all hate her, and we all wish our old boss was back!
TonyEnjoyD
Guru
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- Newcastle upon Tyne
Get yourself one of those spy pens or spy buttons with the hidden video camera.
Very hard to lie your way out of video evidence
Just google them
Very hard to lie your way out of video evidence
Just google them
Raging Squirrel
Well-Known Member
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- North West
recording a manager without consent wouldn't be allowed to be used in a grievance unfortunately. You could let HR hear it, but it wouldn't be used as evidence
Raging Squirrel
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Again, this wouldn't be allowed to be used if the company has a proper HR department. Any recordings video or sound have to have the permission of the people being recorded
Raging Squirrel
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Okay, my HR girlfriend has suggested to put in an official grievance to HR or senior management. If you want, get a colleague to countersign it if they agree with it, or write a little statement.
Hopefully they would get pulled in and the matter discussed. If it carried on, a second grievance should be made to show that your manager has not addressed the issues raised in the initial grievance. Then, if nothing else changes, resign noting that the reason is down to the problems with your manager, and that you feel that nothing has been done to change the issues that they have with you, hopefully this is would be seen as constructive dismissal.
Have a look at the ACAS website. www.acas.org.uk
Hopefully they would get pulled in and the matter discussed. If it carried on, a second grievance should be made to show that your manager has not addressed the issues raised in the initial grievance. Then, if nothing else changes, resign noting that the reason is down to the problems with your manager, and that you feel that nothing has been done to change the issues that they have with you, hopefully this is would be seen as constructive dismissal.
Have a look at the ACAS website. www.acas.org.uk
paddy01
Senior Member
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- Exmouth (Devon)
It really does beggar belief that people like this still exist. I know that in many of the examples given here they'd not even be allowed to finish their tea before being escorted from the premises were they working where I do... which on the face of it is a multi-national faceless corporation but throughout my 15 of service has brought me into contact with some truly excellent bosses.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
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- Scotland
Clandestine recordings of meetings between employer and employee have been admitted as evidence by employment tribunals. (Amwell View School v Dogherty). The test for the tribunal is whether the evidence is relevant.
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marzjennings
Guru
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I wouldn't engage HR at this point as you'll be stuck in a position with no evidence to back up your claims.
Start a log of issues, note every time your boss is inappropriate. Get video if you can. Note the names of others who have witnessed the abuse. Save all abusive emails by forwarding to your own email address.
Start a log of issues, note every time your boss is inappropriate. Get video if you can. Note the names of others who have witnessed the abuse. Save all abusive emails by forwarding to your own email address.
