My new bank card will let me buy stuff at a checkout, but won't let me access my account from an ATM

[briantrumpet]

Given the state of my Co-Op card it was a good job my phone could read the bar code.

I'd not even thought of doing that. Thanks, now done.

 

[Regular.Cyclist]

There are apps available for iOS, Pass2U Wallet, is the one I use, that allow you to add things to the Apple Wallet that aren’t natively supported by the supplier. I have a mix of 20 bank and loyalty cards in my Apple Wallet at the moment.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Yes, but the tap in/ tap out costs 1:50 GBP to travel into York. If I paid cash, a single cost 3.00 GBP. If that happens more than twice, it gets expensive.

Oh, I thought the price was the same.
Seems a bit (for want of better word) illegal, no?
Mind, I rarely get the bus, when I do I do not pay, as over 60's in Scotland get free bus travel, a good discount on the underground and also a good off peak train travel discount.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Oh, I thought the price was the same.
Seems a bit (for want of better word) illegal, no?
Mind, I rarely get the bus, when I do I do not pay, as over 60's in Scotland get free bus travel, a good discount on the underground and also a good off peak train travel discount.

That was part of the annoyance, as I'm used to unlimited travel on all local trains and buses from my Germany Ticket: why make it so complex in the first place? What's wrong with a week long travel card?

 

[classic33]

That was part of the annoyance, as I'm used to unlimited travel on all local trains and buses from my Germany Ticket: why make it so complex in the first place? What's wrong with a week long travel card?

That'd have cost you approximately £20.

The drivers have to provide their own float for change, which is pushing the drivers to ensuring the TOPOC system is used.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

What's wrong with a week long travel card?

You can buy that - on their app

 

[Webbo2]

Until you drop it on concrete, the battery is flat, or it just sulks.

I was surprised how easily my German card was accepted in the UK last month: the main problem was that about every fifth bus rejected it, and as they have a rather odd "tap on, tap off" system in York this immediately doubled the cost of travelling into the city from 1.50 Gbp to 3.00 Gbp...

What bus service was this on in York. As if it was park and ride it is a different service to normal buses.
I have to pay on Park and ride despite having a free pensioners bus pass, its a reduced rate though.

 

[Andy in Germany]

What bus service was this on in York. As if it was park and ride it is a different service to normal buses.
I have to pay on Park and ride despite having a free pensioners bus pass, its a reduced rate though.

First bus.

 

[Alex321]

Oh, I thought the price was the same.
Seems a bit (for want of better word) illegal, no?

Why would it be illegal?

You can't charge different amounts for cash or debit/credit card, but you can give discounts for use of apps or loyalty cards, which is what this is.

 

[Alex321]

Until you drop it on concrete, the battery is flat, or it just sulks.

I've dropped mine on concrete a number of times, without it breaking anything (always in a case). Not had it sulk on me yet either. DO have to watch the battery, but I am generally pretty careful about that, and haven't had an issue yet.

I was surprised how easily my German card was accepted in the UK last month: the main problem was that about every fifth bus rejected it, and as they have a rather odd "tap on, tap off" system in York this immediately doubled the cost of travelling into the city from 1.50 Gbp to 3.00 Gbp...

This "tap on tap out" system seems to be becoming common. They are currently advertising it as making travel smoother on Transport for Wales.

I think it is supposed to make things quicker because you don't need to select your destination at the start, it is worked out when you tap off.

 

[Webbo2]

First bus.

Having just googled First Bus apparently it’s ask Anneka who is their spoke person, yes the one of the jump suits. So ask Anneka what the f’s going on.

 

[classic33]

This "tap on tap out" system seems to be becoming common. They are currently advertising it as making travel smoother on Transport for Wales.

I think it is supposed to make things quicker because you don't need to select your destination at the start, it is worked out when you tap off.

With First having gone to a single fare service, you ask for a single return all day or weekly ticket. Payable for by cash or electronic means.

A hang over from 2020.

 

[Andy in Germany]

I've dropped mine on concrete a number of times, without it breaking anything (always in a case). Not had it sulk on me yet either. DO have to watch the battery, but I am generally pretty careful about that, and haven't had an issue yet.

That's my point; I don't have to watch the battery, because I use a card.

I've had customers ask me to let them plug their phones in so they can pay for things, and seem people thrown off trains because their phone wasn't working (which I appreciate may or may not be true).

I also seem to work in an environment that destroys phones. I'm not sure why.

 

[Andy in Germany]

This "tap on tap out" system seems to be becoming common. They are currently advertising it as making travel smoother on Transport for Wales.

I think it is supposed to make things quicker because you don't need to select your destination at the start, it is worked out when you tap off.

Except it doesn't because when you get off, you're digging around for your phone/card while trying to gather bags and other items to get off the bus. And then trying to wave it under the machine when you really need to concentrate on leaving. And on British buses with only one door, this also means you're doing this as other passengers are trying to get onto the bus...

It's a very complex way of making a worse system than most European cities and regions have had for nearly fifty years; we have no tapping anything: just get on, get off. Occasionally I'm asked to show my card, even more occasionally with a photo ID.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

You can't charge different amounts for cash or debit/credit card, but you can give discounts for use of apps or loyalty cards, which is what this is.

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood @Andy in Germany, I thought he said that in York paying cash costs more than using tap on/off.
Tap on/off is not a loyalty card, well at least not here in Scotland.
You tap on/off with any card that can pay, afaik the First bus app is scanned for a ticked already purchased on the app.
I'll ask around if First bus here in Glasgow charge more if you pay cash.