No substitute for a car?

[400bhp]

Well I've had similar discussions with subaqua and others on here over the years, and they always start as discussions, but always end up with both sides having to argue a case for their POV because nobody wants to give any ground or listen to the other side.

Do I need a motorbike with 670bhp per tonne at the back wheel in the same way which you have a car with 400bhp ? - no, but I want it and that is my justification.

The requirement for the 4x4 is a utility one for me and is an extension of the horse ownership to help improve the VFM of them in so many ways, and to help reduce my reliance on others to fetch and cary the things which we use.
I get my shavings for bedding free from my mate who runs a joinery company in Stroud. Using the 4x4 and trailer, I can bring back the best part of a tonne of them in five or six 1 tonne rubble sacks and that costs me about £20 in fuel. A compressed bale of these shavings from my local pet supplier would cost about £10 and amount to roughly a quarter of one of these full rubble sacks so economicaly a sensible move for me to use my own transport for collection.

My mate would also have to pay landfil charges if I didn't have them off him so the arrangement is good for him, and good for me....

I completely understand.

I think as individuals we should sometimes be able to look back on ourselves when we think we need something, it's actually a want.

I need a roof over my head, warmth, food and clothing. They are a given-an absolute. Perhaps one could argue that I need other things too, but there's a difficult line to be drawn between what is needed and what is wanted.

I think I have become a better person because, perhaps in the last year or 2, I remind myself this question and think how lucky I am to have the choice to have many many wants that people don't have.

 

[mangaman]

I have questioned your many times Claudine.

The biggest problem is requirement, and the laws demanding things which are fir for purpose (goddamnit)

Is it just me, or is this gibberish?

It seems pretty clear to me.
He's saying he's questioned you many times. There are an unspecified number of problems, the biggest of which is "requirement" and laws demanding something to do with evergreen trees. Goddamnit.

Actually you're right - it's gibberish.

 

[theclaud]

One thing I learnt when I owned (and used properly) an offroad vehicle, was that people that hated them never let things like facts cloud their opinions.

I sold it when it was nolonger needed, and I miss it dreadfully, as It saved my life at least twice.

When I changed down to a normal estate car, a person at work told me I didn't need an estate as I was the only person he ever saw in the car. I asked him how he knew what I needed as he didn't live my life.
The reason for adding this little paragraph is that whenever I see a thread where someone who doesn't know the other person, has the God like knowledge to tell them what they actually need to live, when they don't know squat about the other person, makes my pee boil. Unless you are living their life you don't know what they need.

Perhaps you should calm down a bit. Linford has spent years deluging us with a tedious volume of detail about his horsey-Tonka-Toy shenanigans, in an entirely unsolicited manner. Perhaps he is seeking absolution - who knows? Whatever his motives, if someone is going to start a conversation which might be entitled "A lengthy justification for everything I have ever done", then they might expect a little comeback...

 

[Linford]

I completely understand.

I think as individuals we should sometimes be able to look back on ourselves when we think we need something, it's actually a want.

I need a roof over my head, warmth, food and clothing. They are a given-an absolute. Perhaps one could argue that I need other things too, but there's a difficult line to be drawn between what is needed and what is wanted.

I think I have become a better person because, perhaps in the last year or 2, I remind myself this question and think how lucky I am to have the choice to have many many wants that people don't have.

Well certainly horse ownership is a want, and was the case for a faur few years. However, since taking over a livery yard, and offering stabling and grazing to others, the vehicle has become a tool of the trade, than just facilitating cheaper transport for our own requirements.

 

[Linford]

It seems pretty clear to me.
He's saying he's questioned you many times. There are an unspecified number of problems, the biggest of which is "requirement" and laws demanding something to do with evergreen trees. Goddamnit.

Actually you're right - it's gibberish.

Another Avatar pic from the album Mangaman ?

 

[Linford]

Perhaps you should calm down a bit. Linford has spent years deluging us with a tedious volume of detail about his horsey-Tonka-Toy shenanigans, in an entirely unsolicited manner. Perhaps he is seeking absolution - who knows? Whatever his motives, if someone is going to start a conversation which might be entitled "A lengthy justification for everything I have ever done", then they might expect a little comeback...

We can't really justify anything we do Claudine. You could live in the centre of Swansea and walk to work. However, you chose to commute from Gowerton and need more than shankses pony for this as it is a nicer place to live.
I'd have no reason for justification if certain busybodies learned to mind their own business.

They had the ducking stool for that sort of thing years ago. Perhaps they ought to bring it back

 

[theclaud]

We can't really justify anything we do Claudine. You could live in the centre of Swansea and walk to work. However, you chose to commute from Gowerton and need more than shankses pony for this as it is a nicer place to live.
I'd have no reason for justification if certain busybodies learned to mind their own business.

They had the ducking stool for that sort of thing years ago. Perhaps they ought to bring it back

Unsolicited, like I said. You choose to tell us all this stuff. We don't drag it out of you.

I don't live in Gowerton. That was where we started the race commuter challenge from - we thought it was a bit more representative of ordinary barriers to cycle-commuting than Mumbles, which is served by an unusually useful foreshore cycle path most of the way into the city. But I'm a little bit puzzled as to why it impacts significantly on others if I live in Mumbles and cycle to work rather than living in The Marina (which is at least as posh as Mumbles) and walking? Perhaps you could enlighten me? Incidentally, if I did live in the Marina I'd just choose to cycle a 10-mile loop into work anyway.

 

[mangaman]

Another Avatar pic from the album Mangaman ?

Yes

Is that a problem for you?

 

[mangaman]

They had the ducking stool for that sort of thing years ago. Perhaps they ought to bring it back

Unsolicited, like I said. You choose to tell us all this stuff. We don't drag it out of you.

I don't live in Gowerton. That was where we started the race commuter challenge from - we thought it was a bit more representative of ordinary barriers to cycle-commuting than Mumbles, which is served by an unusually useful foreshore cycle path most of the way into the city. But I'm a little bit puzzled as to why it impacts significantly on others if I live in Mumbles and cycle to work rather than living in The Marina (which is at least as posh as Mumbles) and walking? Perhaps you could enlighten me? Incidentally, if I did live in the Marina I'd just choose to cycle a 10-mile loop into work anyway.

You can't weasel out of it - Linf has you as a witch. It's because you are only a girl but seem to have opinions.

It's the ducking stool for you I'm afraid.

 

[Linford]

Yes

Is that a problem for you?

Absolutely not

What is the story behind it ?

 

[Linford]

You can't weasel out of it - Linf has you as a witch. It's because you are only a girl but seem to have opinions.

It's the ducking stool for you I'm afraid.

Well I could have said the stocks, but there seems to be a bitmore theatre in using a ducking stool

 

[mangaman]

Absolutely not

What is the story behind it ?

It's the great Lee "scratch" Perry - one of my heroes.

I felt like a change from my old one of another of my all time heroes Ruel Fox.

What's the story behind your ant?

 

[theclaud]

It's the great Lee "scratch" Perry - one of my heroes.

I felt like a change from my old one of another of my all time heroes Ruel Fox.

What's the story behind your ant?

It's irritating and evasive?

I'm not sure it's an ant, by the way...

 

[Linford]

Nothing more than I like it. I saw it on another forum, and thought it was a real bug on my monitor.
Trick of the eye and all that....

I was convinced the football player was you. Do I have a 'hero' I'd want as an avatar pic ? - probably Mo Mowlem.

 

[subaqua]

You are getting your kniickers in a twist with this one.

Whilst I use it for moving stull around, it is ultimately animal transport, and used for boxing them to events, or occasionally to decent hacking which is too far off the other side of the urban sprawl to entertain wanting to ride through it.
My 4x4 was only bought after I towed my 2 horse trailer with a normal medium sized car which was rated at 1400kg kerb weight. It was downright scary as the trailer with even just one horse pushed the car around like the tail wagging the dog.

The trailer with a single animal weighs 1500kg and with 2 animals it is up to 2000kg. Not only would it be willfully stupid to make a habit of this with a smaller vehicle, it is also illegal exceeding the MAM ofthe combination, and that not only puts myself and my cargo in danger, but also exposes others on the road to unneccessary risk. My consideration of other people costs me a lot of money which given the choice I'd rather spend on a foreign holiday, or other toys (like a nice carbon roadie )

Have you ever heard the term 'redundant capacity' ?

I can entirely understand you living in London and feeling a bit of guilt as they are only used up there for vanity purposes, and in the 'I'm bigger than you so I take priority' contests which you Londoners all seem to take part in, but out my way, there are a lot of these vehicles which are used for the purposes they are intended, and are proper workhorses in the true sense of the word.

How much money did your 4x4 vanity vehicle cost you in purchase cost and depreciation anyway ?

Just because i live in London now doesn't mean i always lived there. Welsh hill farmers seem to manage in old Subarus. I bought my 1st 4x4 when i was having to go on quarry call outs and drive through 3 or 3 feet of thick mud to get to the problem so they were never vanity vehicles

I also posses a B+E licence so know the rules and laws regarding towing