RLJ London

[hackbike 6]

???

Im slow today both on the bike and intellectually.

I'm pretty much only a commuter cyclist, apart from a few rides. Mostly that's because I work when most of you are off, and I see just as many "proper" cyclists jumping the lights.

Same here...and I do love my seven day commutes.NOT.

The answer, of course, being 'do you always stay under 70 when you're on the motorway?'

Personally I don't really care how fast they go on the motorway so long as im not there.Selfish I know.I try to keep off motorways when I am with my motoring 'friends' as I have been watching "Police,Camera Action" and I see some of the poor driving that goes on there.

I think the mobile phone lark and general lack of concentration alarms me more.

 

[Sittingduck]

Am not trying to preach here

Seems like you're doing quite a good job of it though

 

[andyfromotley]

None stopped at all? Glad to see cyclists are showing such comon sense and ignoring pointless laws.

Dont join the appeasers, the section of motorists who hate cyclists will hate em wether they rlj or not.

RLJ - safe,quick,sensible. I recommend it.

 

[hackbike 6]

None stopped at all? Glad to see cyclists are showing such comon sense and ignoring pointless laws.

Dont join the appeasers, the section of motorists who hate cyclists will hate em wether they rlj or not.

RLJ - safe,quick,sensible. I recommend it.

You can't even spell,seems like sensible advice.(not)

I know whose advice I would seek first,BentMikey's of course.

 

[BentMikey]

Apparently young Andy's a copper, or so he likes to make out if I've not misunderstood. Fine example.

 

[hackbike 6]

If he is a copper this country is in deep do-do.

 

[swee'pea99]

And your punctuation isn't up to much, but what of it? andy's clearly only doing it to tease. Perhaps in response to the wave of self-righteous sanctimony that always erupts whenever this subject comes up, with thin-lipped 'appeasers' talking about 'educating' people who are quite capable of spelling - and punctuating too for that matter.

Point is, abiding by the law doesn't make you a safe road-user, nor does breaking it necessarily make you a bad one...a fact well understood by, eg, the Police, which is why they turn a blind eye to breaches of the strict letter of the law - whether excess speeds by motorists or RLJ-ing by cyclists - so long as they're not dumb or dangerous.

Let’s be clear. Anyone who spooks, let alone endangers, others, is an peanut. But that does not equal RLJ-ing, per se.

Nor is RLJ-ing ‘letting the side down’, nor what makes some other road users hate us. Such people, as others have ably pointed out, have other agendas, and are for the most part miserable misanthropic scumbags who should not be ‘appeased’ (aka allowed to feel RLJ-ing or anything else justifies their stance) in any shape or form.

"We owe it to each other to show consideration to other users, whatever mode of transport they are using." Absolutely. And absolutely compatible with RLJ-ing, so long as it's done carefully and considerately.

 

[hackbike 6]

How are we being self righteous when RLJing is against the rules of the road?Saw three coppers on bikes today who gave me a look as I stopped at a set of traffic lights.I reckon they would have stopped and fined me if i hadn't stopped at that traffic light.RLJing in the volumes I have seen isn't safe for all concerned and is for impatient people when there is no need for it.Got to log off now im up for my commute at 4am.

 

[BentMikey]

*rolls eyes*

 

[hackbike 6]

1) So you say Andy is winding us all up?

Does that mean he does or doesn't rlj? or he just does it to wind us up?
Doesn't wind me up, but with the standared of moronic rljing out there I find it very sad.

We are having a go at motons all the time for bad motoring and breaking the law but, this is what we are doing all the time.(A majority of us)

Point is, abiding by the law doesn't make you a safe road-user, nor does breaking it necessarily make you a bad one...a fact well understood by, eg, the Police, which is why they turn a blind eye to breaches of the strict letter of the law

They turn a blind eye to a lot of things...not because they want to but as we have heard many times (yawn) paperwork and manpower.

This included motoring offences of which I heave read about on this board many.

I hate being tarred with the same brush by pedestrians and motorists (and coppers) because people RLJ and badly not that its any excuse if they do it well.

Let’s be clear. Anyone who spooks, let alone endangers, others, is an peanut. But that does not equal RLJ-ing, per se.

Hmmmm,ok.I would have thought they belong to the same category.

or is RLJ-ing ‘letting the side down’, nor what makes some other road users hate us. Such people, as others have ably pointed out, have other agendas, and are for the most part miserable misanthropic scumbags who should not be ‘appeased’ (aka allowed to feel RLJ-ing or anything else justifies their stance) in any shape or form.

I think i've lost the will to live after reading this drivel.

and are for the most part miserable misanthropic scumbags who should not be ‘appeased’

Oh I get it,this is a joke right?hahahaha!

This thread has cheered me up thanks,I have something to laugh about while Im cycling the way I have cycled for the last thirty years,stopping at traffic lights included.

Punctuation's,not,up,to,much,but,at,least,I,tried.

All this is my personal opinion of course,or shall I say IMHO,Although I may be a bit of a weirdo,to stop at reds.

Not bad at 4am before a shift eh?Oh ok then.

 

[dondare]

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Point is, abiding by the law doesn't make you a safe road-user, nor does breaking it necessarily make you a bad one...a fact well understood by, eg, the Police, which is why they turn a blind eye to breaches of the strict letter of the law - whether excess speeds by motorists or RLJ-ing by cyclists - so long as they're not dumb or dangerous.
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Excess speeds by motorists anoy the hell out of me and I'd be very happy to see a speed camera on every lamp post. It isn't that it's always bound to be dangerous but that it is symptomatic of an attitude that someone in control of a motor vehicle simply shouldn't have. Competent driving instructors teach people how to behave on the road and examiners will fail anyone who is unable to demonstrate that they have learnt these lessons, but after they've passed the test motorists will quickly forget it all and allow impatience to dictate the way that they drive.
When cyclists jump red lights they are displaying exactly the same attitude and although a bike has much less capacity to kill or injure or cause damage that does not mean that it can't do any of these things or that a cyclist is justified in ignoring those laws that are specifically intended to make the roads safer for everyone.

 

[upsidedown]

I want car drivers to treat me as a legitimate vehicle while i'm around them, in return i try to behave like one.

 

[hackbike 6]

Some car drivers do but even if they didn't I can't see it as an excuse sorry.
Two wrongs don't make a right and they treat me the same way as they treat you.

 

[bryce]

Seems like you're doing quite a good job of it though

Thanks.

This debate won't end will it? The RLJ brigade will keep on RLJing until they or someone they come across gets injured/ killed as a direct/ indirect result of their actions and the others will get to work slower but safely and with more respect from the 'cager' (explain this term to a non-cycling friend and try not to be embarrassed) drivers in their half tonne bike-ploughs.

Feel free to add to the below (if you haven't lost the will to live yet..)

Pros of RLJing:

+ You'll get to work slightly quicker than the others.
+ You back your road-sense and so far your judgement has been 100% spot-on. You're not causing any danger - because you haven't caused any accidents yet.

Cons of RLJing:
-You're breaking the law.
-You're endangering others by your actions.
-You're setting a bad example to other cyclists who will follow you - maybe without looking.
-If you have an accident as a consequence of RLJing it will be your fault and on your conscience.
-Witnesses will not support you after a RLJ incident.
-You will have no excuses when explaining yourself to friends or the police.
-You give all cyclists a bad name by your actions. Some road users may not give you and other cyclists as much respect.

 

[515mm]

I'm in the stopping at red lights camp. This stance has been further reinforced by what I witnessed last Easter when, whilst waiting at a Toucan crossing on the cyclepath at Blackpill (Swansea). My light went green well after the road traffic's light had changed to red and all motor traffic had come to a halt, yet the six Bynea Cycling Club members in their natty club colours all filtered through the stationary cars and through the red light. Good job I know that a green light means 'Proceed with caution'.

Three or four of the car drivers sounded their horns in protest, but received single finger salutes from Bynea CC in return. One car driver leaned out of his window and said to me "Those twats ain't doing you any favours, are they?" I felt compelled to agree with him.
Little wonder then, Bynea CC, I didn't join your little club when you asked me to.

Arrogant, self important people travel on the roads using many different forms of transport.

Oh, in case you're all wondering if I'm a real* cyclist, I commute by bicycle but I also cycle for recreation and do the occasional charity ride and sportive




*I know what you mean, however.