Thanks Graham. Had just spotted the French version, and have it booked marked now - all grist to the mill. The extra wheelbase must give a pretty smooth ride, the R20 that I ride over here has fat tyres so that helps a lot. The wheels are converted to 406's, and with the fat tyres give almost the same overall diameter as the original 451's, so the in built kick stand works just fine. Does it have proprietary BB threads as per Raleigh, or did they bow to the standards?