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Speeding cyclist and Highway Code Rule 69

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by helston90, 11 Sep 2017.

  1. helston90

    helston90 Eat, sleep, ride, repeat.

    Location:
    Cornwall
    On a local Facebook group I made the point speed limits do not apply to cyclists (someone was moaning about cyclists going way over the speed limit).

    Someone else has come back pointing to rule 69 of the Highway Code

    Under 'Rules for cyclists'
    Rule 69
    You MUST obey all traffic signs and traffic light signals.

    Does this not include speed limits? Surely a 40mph sign is a traffic sign and cyclists can't go above it?
    Just trying to back up statements I make with evidence.
     
  2. Regulator

    Regulator Egregious Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography

    No. Not all signs apply to all vehicles.

    The law on speed limits specifically applies to motor vehicles. The 40mph sign is a sign for motor vehicles.

    The Highway Code gives advice - it is not the law.
     
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  3. tyred

    tyred Legendary Member

    Location:
    Ireland
    Unlike a car/van/etc, there is no legal requirement for a bike to have a speedometer so I don't see how it could be legally enforced.

    The old "stop in the distance you can see to be clear" advice applies which is very good advice and sadly often ignored by many road users of all road going vehicles.
     
  4. Alan O

    Alan O Senior Member

    Location:
    Liverpool
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  5. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry More gruff than grumpy

    Location:
    West Sussex
    Speeding cyclist, in law in England and Wales, is a contradiction in terms. A fast cyclist might be cycling furiously though, depending on circumstances.
     
  6. DaveReading

    DaveReading Veteran

    Though the word "must" in the Highway Code indicates that disobeying the instruction is a criminal offence.
     
  7. But the instruction isn't directed to cyclist so can't be disobeyed. As noted above, not all signs apply to all vehicle types.

    That said, there's a very high probability that if a cyclist is exceeding the speed limit they are a selfish nobber. But that's not an offence in law.
     
  8. mcshroom

    mcshroom Bionic Subsonic

    Location:
    Egremont, Cumbria
    It means there is a law that the HC is referring to. In this case the law only applies to motor vehicles.
     
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  9. midliferider

    midliferider Über Member

    Location:
    Northampton
    I would love to get a speeding ticket while cycling.
    Last weekend, I was cycling along a rural village road and there were mobile unit holding camera. I cycled furiously fast but couldn't exceed the 30 limit. The policeman smiled and said not good enough!
     
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  10. Drago

    Drago Guru

    The Highway Code is a code of practice, not a legal reference. Should and must is all well and good, the the remit of the code is far, far too brief to be taken as a legal guide.

    If you're not in/on a motor vehicle, the speed limit can not be enforced with respect to you.
     
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  11. Tim Hall

    Tim Hall Guru

    Location:
    Crawley
    There's no breathlyser in my car, but I can still be done for having excess alcohol in my bloodstream. Or in other words, it's not the lack of a speedo that makes the law not applicable to cyckusts.
     
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  12. Beebo

    Beebo Firm and Fruity

    Location:
    Hexleybeef
    Royal parks police can enforce speed limits in the parks. I have seen them in Greenwich Park with a speed gun.
     
  13. Drago

    Drago Guru

    Indeed, mopeds and motorcycles under 100cc built before a certain year are not required to have speedos, but will still fall down the stairs in the back of the coppers panda car if they break a speed limit.

    Edit - don't the parks police have some particular legislation for their sites?
     
  14. T.M.H.N.E.T

    T.M.H.N.E.T Disc brakes - Stopping things since 1902

    Location:
    Northern Ireland
    Yes
     
  15. DaveReading

    DaveReading Veteran

    Yes, and equally the instruction in the Highway Code Section 69 doesn't cover speed limit signs, so there's no inconsistency between the HC and the law.