tadpole to quad conversion with outboard disc brakes ( now the quadem project )

Discussion in 'Recumbents, Trikes and HPVs' started by voyager, 19 Oct 2015.

  1. voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    Hi Folks
    I know I have been quiet of late but due to caring commitments, a short but needed break at the end of September , a forthcoming MOT , several trike rides before the hour crawls back to winter time and the nights draw in , Together with a bit of a shortage of ERW form our steel suppliers and a few other little projects that have crept in .

    So , Enters the MKII this trike has been used in the development of some of the other trikes and is a good basis for the conversion .

    The facts so far
    The latest project is to convert the MKII from a tadpole 20/26 trike to a 20" all round quad/velo prototype using a solid rear axle mounted in pillow blocks and fitting outboard discs on both rear wheels .
    Using a 20mm solid rear axle and a 20mm front hub as a "free hub " will make the rear end a little easier to construct using 20mm pillow blocks , I hope to include a rear damper on the rear and use the main boom as a torsion bar suspension .

    Photos will follow as and when the camera releases them up to my one drive and I have finished hacking 40x40 16g ERW to build the frame - UNTIL then you are welcome to post comments ask questions or wait patiently in line and shoot me down in flames

    regards for now

    emma
     
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  2. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Only the one drive wheel on the rear then?
     
  3. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    Have a look at the Utah Trikes website - they have several quad conversions
     
  4. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    This version will be single wheel drive - most of the RWD delta trikes are only SWD that do not use a diff , the original racing trikes of the 50's and 60's used a single wheel drive on the "near side" as it stopped "run down the camber " in normal road use

    The conversion a "bolt on rear end " is now past the planning stage and the pre assembly work is complete and the assembly work to cut to size and weld up has begun . The only fly in the ointmentas previously stated is forcing my mobile phone to return my photos to my one drive so I can post them .
    Windows seems to have a mind of its own!

    regards emma
     
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  5. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    Hi Folks

    I welded up the main frame less the suspension mount and did a mock up before I ran out of light today


    quad01.jpg

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    regards emma
     
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  6. Are you incorporating any articulation? Is the whole rear end acting as a swingarm?
     
  7. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    You thinking Brox!
     
  8. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    The whole rear end will be sprung as a dampered unit this prototype unit will rely on the torsion bar effect of the main boom to absorb the bumps and irregularities of the road , the next quad might ( only might ) have a limited movement using a horizontal head tube assembly to give it some extra movement .
    The idea is to mount the whole subframe directly to the trike in place of the MTB rear triangle currently fitted using the Pivot point and damper mount .

    regards emma
     
  9. I dunno what I'm thinking. I do know that quads need articulation of some kind or else spend a lot of time with one wheel orf the ground.
     
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  10. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Possibly two on any tight turn, or turn at speed.
     
  11. Scoosh

    Scoosh Velocouchiste Moderator

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    OT post.

    Only 1 wheel ? Clearly not going fast enough ! :laugh:
     
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  12. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    here is a close up of the left and right hubs the fixed hub was a standard MTB hub with the bearings removed and reamed to fit the 20mm axle , it is mounted with a purpose made adapter that secures the hub via the rotor into the rotor mounts , a standard Kobe 20mm hub from a scrap front 20mm wheel is the offside Hub mounted with 20mm collars on both sides to act as spacers to get the calipers in the same position



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    quad_nsr.jpg


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    its still in bare metal stage - have welder will travel , the trike spends most of its time on 2 wheels so wont be too different there :wacko:

    i can always cut and shut the main rear boom and put a fork tube up it, unless i go for some thrust bearings .lets get it on 4 wheels and see how it goes ! there is plenty of space between the pivot and the subframe

    regards emma
     
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  13. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    Hi Folks

    Brake calipers and derailleur mounts designed and made today and currently waiting for the M12 x 70mm bolts to secure the Pillow blocks and m5x25 HT cap screws for the fixed hub adapter , I have located and machined up a black hub for the fixed hub so all the hubs are the same .

    I hope to machine the anti crush tubes at the weekend .

    Only leaving me to design the 1into 2 brake adapter for the rear ( 4 wheels and 4 OUTBOARD 160 mm disc brakes )

    An extra pair of plates to support the M12 bolt heads were cut cleaned up and ready to drill .

    Yesterday a recycled BMX style bike gave its rims ( same as the original pair ) , rim tapes and inner tubes for the project and its forks and head tube will be saved for another project .

    The 4th tyre ( had 2 + 1 spare ) arrived today and the calipers and spokes are on their way ,
    Hopefully I can built and trued the wheels early next week .

    Next stage is to dismantle the current rear end and jig up the delta subframe in its correct position so I can weld in the suspension support .

    regards emma
     
  14. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Hydraulic brakes?
    I"ve two seperate systems in use on the Brox. An inline system, front brakes & a parrallel system on the rear.

    Cable operated: Have you considered a splitter as fitted to a BMX?
     
  15. OP
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    voyager

    voyager E- tadpole Triker

    Cable brakes all round with a dual lever on the front and a centre pull system on the rear so it can revert to the trike configuration with minimal effort ^_^

    Have tried BMX splitters in the past and were not successful .:angry:

    Easy weekend only the anti crush tubes to make , lucky really :highfive: I feel like a dog log,:evil:
    I must have caught something during the week :cursing:

    laters

    emma
     
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