what are you talking about? this isn't "posting some images" this is recording something in a public place, then sticking it on youtube..
they can ask youtube to take it down or ask the poster... it's all about "expectation of privacy"...
Taken out by another cyclist.
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what are you talking about? this isn't "posting some images" this is recording something in a public place, then sticking it on youtube..
they can ask youtube to take it down or ask the poster... it's all about "expectation of privacy"...
I read the thread first before watching the video and I cannot believe some of the comments made towards this woman - both by yourself and by others on this thread.
She was obviously grateful for the kind return of her son and bike and I can't see anywhere where she acted like a "bitch" or "witch". I was expecting a fag-smoking mother-of-five with a can of Tennants in one hand and a lead attached to a pitbull in the other!!
Now don't get me wrong, her son could have been killed by his carelessness and I can't see any time (on your approach) that he turns to look up the road before crossing it. Which, as a parent myself, I find quite shocking!! He has been a very lucky lad indeed to have only had his wheel damaged and a few bumps or bruises, and he needs to be educated as to how to cross safely when he's out and about and maybe even advised to walk his bike across busy/fast roads.
I also feel for you because most of us also know how frightening it can be to hit things or be knocked off -it can be bloody scary stuff - brown-pants moments are not uncommon when you are a proficient and fast cyclist, but they do tend to leave you on edge a little afterwards, so I'm taking a guess that you were still a bit wound-up from the incident when you arrived at his house?
You did a very good thing walking him home and ensuring he was safely back in the arms of mum 'n' dad - especially when none of it was really your fault - however, from the video you appear to have turned up at this woman's house, with the full knowledge of what has happened, and started ranting about compensation and arguing with her. She has understandably become defensive; I expect I would be. She doesn't know you from Adam and you're making out like you might want something from her (seriously, listen to how insistent you are being with her). She hasn't seen the accident and you're throwing in a figure of £1500 quid. I can see why she's been unreceptive. She also possibly wants to make sure her son is okay and get his side of the story too (and maybe even give him a bollocking for being so careless?).
It might be best to remove the video from YouTube and make a more measured approach to the lady. Call round and calmly ask if you can come in and show her the video, so she can see what has happened for herself (she might well be quite shocked by it - I know as a parent I would be!) - and then explain that you were just wanting to have a general agreement from her to pay for any minor repairs that you might have found later.
I understand how you feel but I think the approach to resolving it could have been better.
Anyway, I really don't want to see any more name-calling of this lady on CC please.
Thanks,
Shaun
She was obviously grateful for the kind return of her son and bike and I can't see anywhere where she acted like a "bitch" or "witch". I was expecting a fag-smoking mother-of-five with a can of Tennants in one hand and a lead attached to a pitbull in the other!!
Now don't get me wrong, her son could have been killed by his carelessness and I can't see any time (on your approach) that he turns to look up the road before crossing it. Which, as a parent myself, I find quite shocking!! He has been a very lucky lad indeed to have only had his wheel damaged and a few bumps or bruises, and he needs to be educated as to how to cross safely when he's out and about and maybe even advised to walk his bike across busy/fast roads.
I also feel for you because most of us also know how frightening it can be to hit things or be knocked off -it can be bloody scary stuff - brown-pants moments are not uncommon when you are a proficient and fast cyclist, but they do tend to leave you on edge a little afterwards, so I'm taking a guess that you were still a bit wound-up from the incident when you arrived at his house?
You did a very good thing walking him home and ensuring he was safely back in the arms of mum 'n' dad - especially when none of it was really your fault - however, from the video you appear to have turned up at this woman's house, with the full knowledge of what has happened, and started ranting about compensation and arguing with her. She has understandably become defensive; I expect I would be. She doesn't know you from Adam and you're making out like you might want something from her (seriously, listen to how insistent you are being with her). She hasn't seen the accident and you're throwing in a figure of £1500 quid. I can see why she's been unreceptive. She also possibly wants to make sure her son is okay and get his side of the story too (and maybe even give him a bollocking for being so careless?).
It might be best to remove the video from YouTube and make a more measured approach to the lady. Call round and calmly ask if you can come in and show her the video, so she can see what has happened for herself (she might well be quite shocked by it - I know as a parent I would be!) - and then explain that you were just wanting to have a general agreement from her to pay for any minor repairs that you might have found later.
I understand how you feel but I think the approach to resolving it could have been better.
Anyway, I really don't want to see any more name-calling of this lady on CC please.
Thanks,
Shaun
BenM
Veteran
Won't anyone think of the children????!!!111!!!!1111!!!!!
And, actually, no I wouldn't. It is IMHO completely ridiculous to take that view that posting images of children on the internet is in and of itself a problem. FWIW there are quite a few pics of my children on the internet.
There is, potentially, a child safety issue - if the video is shown to provide enough information to identify the child AND that child is subject to a protection order then his mother could be seen to have not taken steps to prevent his identification. (substitute mother for school and you get the reason why schools don't want you taking pictures of productions....)
B.
wot admin said..
Also recall my brother being taken home by a sheepish couple after he went over their cars bonnet ( him and bike "perfectly" okay).... my mum wanted rid of them very quickly though, mainly because he was in for 'a right bollocking' due to breaking the "dont be out after dusk" (no lights) and "dont ride fast on the pavement" (some blind driveway entrances)rules..
Also recall my brother being taken home by a sheepish couple after he went over their cars bonnet ( him and bike "perfectly" okay).... my mum wanted rid of them very quickly though, mainly because he was in for 'a right bollocking' due to breaking the "dont be out after dusk" (no lights) and "dont ride fast on the pavement" (some blind driveway entrances)rules..
To be frank, the sort of behaviour by Paul on here is far worse. It makes this place an unpleasant place to be around.
I'm a bit surprised at you lot panning black panther so badly. I thought he did a great job and was very responsible about sorting out the kid too. Tell you what, I'd much rather Black Panther was around if my kid was in a crash rather than Paul, or even you, Shaun. (
I'm a bit surprised at you lot panning black panther so badly. I thought he did a great job and was very responsible about sorting out the kid too. Tell you what, I'd much rather Black Panther was around if my kid was in a crash rather than Paul, or even you, Shaun. (
Sara_H
Guru
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
Although the woman was ignorant of the facts regarding her respnsibilities for damage caused by her son, she was just being defensive - the discussion was never going to get anywhere.
Some of the comments here are totally uncalled for.
To the OP - hope you're ok, my heart was in my mouth watching the video - must have been a terrible shock for you.
+1
I was surprised. Seemed like a bit of a feeding frenzy, both at the original post and when the tide turned against the original poster.
Before Mikeys post I was thinking I wouldn't be surprised if we lost a member....
Mushroomgodmat
Über Member
speaking only for myself...If that was my son Id be horrified and thankful beyond words to you for making sure he made it home okay. And without question I would pay for any damages caused (once I had seen the footage of course)
its a strange world where a mother (of I think are well brought up kids) seems unwilling to take responsibility, not exactly a good message to send. Had I been in your situation, I probably would have resorted to saying something like this should probably be a police matter now as an accident on the roads has happened and two vehicle have been damaged.
The only thing I (suspect) you did incorrectly is to record the conversation on her property...not sure what the legal grounds are for that.
its a strange world where a mother (of I think are well brought up kids) seems unwilling to take responsibility, not exactly a good message to send. Had I been in your situation, I probably would have resorted to saying something like this should probably be a police matter now as an accident on the roads has happened and two vehicle have been damaged.
The only thing I (suspect) you did incorrectly is to record the conversation on her property...not sure what the legal grounds are for that.
I would hope I would have done just the same and walked the lad home - and I commend BlackPanther for his actions - but the painting of the mother as a "bitch" because she won't immediately engage with a stranger about possible "compensation" when he's just turned up at her house with her damaged son+bike it a little bit harsh IMHO.
Doesn't she deserve the opportunity to see if her kid is okay? Get his side of the story? Deal with his damaged bike too?
The kid did something wrong and caused and accident and I agree his parents should take some responsibility for that, but you've got to give the mum a bit of time to adjust to the idea - she's likely been quite shocked at what's happened too!
I'm sure the mum appreciates BlackPanther's kindness and would expect her, once she's had time to talk to her son, to be somewhat sympathetic and be willing to talk more about repairs, etc. but maybe later on in the day when things have calmed down and everyone's over the shock.
gavintc
Guru
Wow, there are some sanctimonious people on here. A young child drifts into the road and an accident ensues. He clearly did not do it deliberately and he is only a child. How about some degree of understanding for what the child went through. The mum was not present at the accident and has great difficulty assessing the situation based upon the information she has been given.
There are some really unpleasant people who post on here. 'witch' 'bitch' - completely unacceptable.
There are some really unpleasant people who post on here. 'witch' 'bitch' - completely unacceptable.
Yeah, but that's because you haven't just been knocked off, injured, and had damage to your bike. I'd be 'kin livid about it, and I'd want a couple of minutes to calm down and deal with the situation too.
There was a collision - refusal to exchange details just in case is the behaviour of scum. Nobody asked for admission of liability or actual payment. At least Black Panther didn't need to insist, since he has her name and address, and her image and son's image on video.
tongskie01
Active Member
if there's a blame, there's a claim. remember that blackpanther is the victim here....he should be compensated for any damage done to him which was not his fault. this woman is just defensive and not admit liability for her childs actions especially when it comes to money matters. she's not shown a good example to her child at all...
