Barbes66
Über Member
Well done @shimceltic . Strong sprint in the final. @Brusgaard - didn't see you. Were you even there ;-)
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shimceltic
Veteran
Not sure how you never pulled away, your w/kg constantly above mine.
Barbes66
Über Member
Yeah - I noticed that too. Not sure how that happened but I certainly had to go flat out to get past you to take a turn.
shimceltic
Veteran
My watts been all over the place since update and feel like I'm in mud on anything above
- 1%
- 1%
Barbes66
Über Member
Is it the same on other platforms?
shimceltic
Veteran
Yes I tried rgt the other day. Its probably my lack of power and fitness and not the bkool
Randyberlin
Guru
- Location
- Sitka, Alaska
I spin out on 50/11 and the watts drop way down. I think k @Rod McG can keep the watts up on downhill but don't know how he keeps it going. I can't keep up anything over 85 rpm.
shimceltic
Veteran
Not sure what my combo is..... Its an old bike with sora gears
Randyberlin
Guru
- Location
- Sitka, Alaska
I agree your new bike is way too nice to put on the trainer. After I upgraded my Amazon refurbished Mac Mini to big sur OS I have way better video.
shimceltic
Veteran
I'm gonna upgrade the smart pro 2 hopefully soon but not sure what's accurate and don't want to spend £$€¥¢$$$$£££££
Randyberlin
Guru
- Location
- Sitka, Alaska
I spent way too much for the Neo 2t because everything else was on back order last year. But now I'm extremely happy I got it. I really Can't justify that level of a trainer with my level of fitness but it does give real feedbsck up to 30 degrees.
But you really are at the level to get the most out of it.
Brusgaard
Über Guru
- Location
- Skive, Denmark
If you want the best, you go with either NEO2T or KICKR v5. If you want to save money, and/or don't need/want to feel the real steep gradients and most accurate watts, you go with KICKR Core, Saris H3 or one of the Elite Diretos. Cheaper than that, it is either Flux 2 or Elite Suito.
That's my picks from the 3-4 major brands. No doubt you can find good products from other less known brands too, but I wouldn't risk it...
shimceltic
Veteran
I can get a neo 2t for £959/€1133
Does it have the downhill battery thing?
If I'm going down hill and approach a climb at speed does it punish you straight with the hill or take into account your speed?
Does it have the downhill battery thing?
If I'm going down hill and approach a climb at speed does it punish you straight with the hill or take into account your speed?
Brusgaard
Über Guru
- Location
- Skive, Denmark
Battery thing? If connected to mains it will activate downhill simulation, that keep the virtual flywheel spinning even when you stop pedaling. If not, it will stop the second you stop pedaling, unlike a real wheel (and a true flywheel) which keeps turning for some time. However, I often turn it off when doing the long downhill races on BKOOL, as I feel as if I can’t get enough resistance. I just turn off the mains using a remote, and the NEO works fine without it. AFAIK all other trainers requires mains power to work.
The trainer does what it is told to by the simulator, so if you go from 0% to 10% it should change immediately. So the simulator should use some algorithm to smooth out the transition and send gradual rising percentages within a second or two. The NEO and other direct drive trainers are much quicker to respond to changes, so it will feel more like IRL. The BKOOL trainers are slow, so maybe that is why you feel abrupt changes. 1-10% on the NEO is like 1%-2%-3%-4%-5%-6%-7%-8%-9%-10% within 2-3 seconds, where on the Bkool it is more like 1%-5-%-10% if not straight 1-10%, at least on my older Pro.
Back in the day you could be hammering at 60 kph into a brick wall when going from 0% to 10%, this was what we referred to as a “dead stop”.
shimceltic
Veteran
Yeah the battery thing I meant mains powered! How does it work without power then and send data to smart trainer?Battery thing? If connected to mains it will activate downhill simulation, that keep the virtual flywheel spinning even when you stop pedaling. If not, it will stop the second you stop pedaling, unlike a real wheel (and a true flywheel) which keeps turning for some time. However, I often turn it off when doing the long downhill races on BKOOL, as I feel as if I can’t get enough resistance. I just turn off the mains using a remote, and the NEO works fine without it. AFAIK all other trainers requires mains power to work.
The trainer does what it is told to by the simulator, so if you go from 0% to 10% it should change immediately. So the simulator should use some algorithm to smooth out the transition and send gradual rising percentages within a second or two. The NEO and other direct drive trainers are much quicker to respond to changes, so it will feel more like IRL. The BKOOL trainers are slow, so maybe that is why you feel abrupt changes. 1-10% on the NEO is like 1%-2%-3%-4%-5%-6%-7%-8%-9%-10% within 2-3 seconds, where on the Bkool it is more like 1%-5-%-10% if not straight 1-10%, at least on my older Pro.
