Team BKool CycleChat

[Brendan Parker]

Yep, I'll be there ... should be a strong team tomorrow - glad I'm not in the other teams - must be horrible knowing when you're going into a race you can't win Oh well, they can battle it out for 2nd place Allez blanc, allez blanc, allez blanc

Oh @Whorty!

 

[Whorty]

Oh @Whorty!

You think I may have sparked a challenge there @bert1971 ?

 

[Goldwolfie]

I'd like to propose one change to tomorrow nights teams. Since it looks like many more Team white riders can make the ride, but not quite enough to make two full teams, I suggest that @bazzer99 moves up to the Green Team, to give them a better chance of getting three riders across the line.

If everyone is happy with this, the Teams currently look like this... (anyone else who wants to join in just shout)

Team White - Start Time 0:00

(Captain) @bert1971 @JLaw @Goldwolfie @rob01792 @theboxers @Gaileb @Whorty

Team Green - Start Time 2:30

(Captain) @Monte @berty bassett @Soarerv8 @Insomina @bazzer99

Team Not Red - Start Time 4:30

(Captain) @Add @TurboTommy @CXRAndy @kipster

Team Blue - Start Time 8:00

(Captain) @BILL S @bridgy @bobinski @LBHIFI

@bert1971 did we get a decent transfer fee for @bazzer99 moving on. Obviously Team Whites skills have been recognised and we are having to supplement other teams to make a decent contest.

I should be there tomorrow night - have we got any team tactics?

 

[bridgy]

Well done Bridgy. Your ghost destroyed me up Merry Harriers tonight. I got 20 seconds on you at the start but your brute power hauled me in and passed me around half way to finish 12 seconds ahead. Looking at the power figures afterwards I'm surprised you weren't even further ahead. Well done too AAAC, but that's just business as usual for you.
I might have another go but when am I going to get a long enough rest?

Woah - I think I may have to take a screenshot of me ahead of you and AAAC on that stage while it lasts! Maybe I've found my cycling niche at last - 2km uphill sprints!

 

[Whorty]

@bert1971 did we get a decent transfer fee for @bazzer99 moving on. Obviously Team Whites skills have been recognised and we are having to supplement other teams to make a decent contest.

I should be there tomorrow night - have we got any team tactics?

My tactic is to try and stay with you faster guys for as long as possible

 

[bridgy]

It is quite hard to schedule a good go at those bonus sprints though isn't it? I usually want to do either a proper stage (live or a hard go against ghosts or something) which leaves you too knackered, or I'm already a bit knackered and want a longer, easier ride and can't face the thought of 6-10 minutes of hell!

 

[Brendan Parker]

@bert1971 did we get a decent transfer fee for @bazzer99 moving on. Obviously Team Whites skills have been recognised and we are having to supplement other teams to make a decent contest.

I should be there tomorrow night - have we got any team tactics?

I think basically "we get under 30mins its ours!

oh and I agree not even so much as 200 coins for training @bazzer99 up I could then afford a team kit

 

[BILL S]

It is quite hard to schedule a good go at those bonus sprints though isn't it? I usually want to do either a proper stage (live or a hard go against ghosts or something) which leaves you too knackered, or I'm already a bit knackered and want a longer, easier ride and can't face the thought of 6-10 minutes of hell!

My ride tonight was 6-10 mins of hell!! Maybe I just need to harden up so I don't need 2 days of rest between rides. Maybe just try going for it every night.

 

[AAAC 76C]

My ride tonight was 6-10 mins of hell!! Maybe I just need to harden up so I don't need 2 days of rest between rides. Maybe just try going for it every night.

I'm not a great lover of the short sharp rides all be it this one suites me better than the last.
Whilst there are only seconds difference on the leader board I will be happy to leave this stage with Bridgy's name on it.
So apologies in advance Bridgy if Bill or Lars do anything silly.
Happy to race you up the final climb in Thursday's ride though!

 

[bridgy]

I'm not a great lover of the short sharp rides all be it this one suites me better than the last.
Whilst there are only seconds difference on the leader board I will be happy to leave this stage with Bridgy's name on it.
So apologies in advance Bridgy if Bill or Lars do anything silly.
Happy to race you up the final climb in Thursday's ride though!

Wow - just had a look at stage 4 after reading this - that is one nasty looking hill!

 

[JLaw]

I haven't seen the course yet but in past experience drafting is difficult other than on flat(ish) sections, but @bazzer99 was clearly the fastest in our team last week and we were just trying to catch him!!
As long as we can help 3rd position to a quicker time. As for kit changing I'm no help as I wasted 1000s of coins and somehow still ended up in black!!! With empty drawers as they call it. Good luck with that bit! @Whorty @bazzer99 @Goldwolfie you all in tomorrow?

Right on overall goal of pulling the 3rd rider across in the quickest time possible and the difficulty in drafting on anything where the gradient changes.

It's not clear to me if we're running "Spin round the block with Liam" or "Pico Penas de Dois".

I have no recollection of the former.

If it's the latter, then we need to have our 3rd rider out in front of the other teams when we start the long downhill. It's awful hard for them to catch us on that downhill *and* our rider can rest on that downhill before we pull them to the finish.

 

[JLaw]

Since drafting reduces the resistance, it helps more the faster you are going. On a steep downhill your speed should be determined by the amount of resistance, so even if you are free-wheeling (blue virtual speed), drafting should make you go faster (rather than allow less effort)!

However, the guy at the front is likely to be limited to a (blue) speed dependent on the steepness of the decline. So best tactic should be to draft closely to use the lowered air resistance to reach a higher speed, pass the guy at the front, who then tucks straight into the draft in turn. As soon as you hit the front your resistance will increase again and you will start to slow down, so very short turns on the front should give the best speed.

So on the steep declines I would try rolling through constantly, the lead guy peeling off and dropping back to tuck in at the back, and then move up gradually one position at a time, to take a brief turn at the front and repeat.

I've watched the pro's do this when trying to work together to maintain a break away, I wonder if it works the same in bkool land?

On a less steep decline (no blue numbers) it might make more sense to take longer turns on the front, especially for the stronger riders, but when the numbers turn blue you should tuck in at the back as soon as the other riders roll past you.

Cheers,

Geoff

Right. It's really an implementation detail of the bkool simulator -- ie, how do they model the benefit of lowered air resistance. There's two obvious ways. One is to give the rider a virtual speed boost. If the simulator uses that model, then drafting on the downhill is a win. If instead the simulator reduces the trainer resistance, then there's minimal benefit drafting on a steep downhill as the trainer is probably already at minimum resistance if the downhill is significantly steep.

 

[Soarerv8]

Righto team green the teams that aren't going to win have been very chatty on here, are we just going to assemble like the Avengers?

 

[berty bassett]

Righto team green the teams that aren't going to win have been very chatty on here, are we just going to assemble like the Avengers?

pssst - i'm here in the shadows green is great camoflage

 

[theboxers]

I should be there tomorrow night - have we got any team tactics?

Don't wait for me when going up the hills .