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I've never heard that story. Excellent! I take your point too.
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Do we know whether KP was encouraged by team management to rein in his style or to give it full vent though ?
He might have been encouraged by the team to indulge his natural batting style.
Has anyone within the team set up stated publicly that KP ought to have batted differently ?
Edit : well I suspect the above comment will appear rather foolish in the morning - rumours are that the ECB will comment on an ultimatum issued by Andy Flower, that either KP goes or he does...
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Not foolish at all, Thom.
It is hard to imagine natural flair being curbed by committee. King Viv, Sobers, Clive Lloyd, Malcolm Marshall. let alone Beefy, Derek Randall etc etc would all be out on their ears if overall management ruled the day.
Friction has always existed I suppose, and 'Management' are another tier in the modern blame game, should things not go smoothly on the field.('Management' probably coined the oft used phrase when professional sportsmen cf: particularly rugby union say "well, we can take the positives from this match" paraphrasing Robshaw, after being regally stuffed by Wales last year) As the players in all teams of elite level are pretty good at using their talents, it's hard to see what else can be done except get experience of playing, working on technique and being comfortable with each other. Any tactical observations needed - then the coach steps in with a strategy ie: "When Johnson bowls a short one at you, don't duck into it, you plank" - that sort of advice...you know what I mean. A posse of suited guys on a balcony is not going to govern the individual guts and toughness of the players on the pitch - whatever they say. And well done Australia - a perfect, comprehensive stuffing, administered in mean, nasty, agressive fashion. They'll get some back in South Africa no doubt...'Shorty' Steyn will be slinging them down and Philander might have a say too. Roll on February!
Cricket's not been the same since Weetabix, beer and poker+rum sessions in the changing room gave way to insurance companies and corporate boxes.<corinthian fogey alert>
It is hard to imagine natural flair being curbed by committee. King Viv, Sobers, Clive Lloyd, Malcolm Marshall. let alone Beefy, Derek Randall etc etc would all be out on their ears if overall management ruled the day.
Friction has always existed I suppose, and 'Management' are another tier in the modern blame game, should things not go smoothly on the field.('Management' probably coined the oft used phrase when professional sportsmen cf: particularly rugby union say "well, we can take the positives from this match" paraphrasing Robshaw, after being regally stuffed by Wales last year) As the players in all teams of elite level are pretty good at using their talents, it's hard to see what else can be done except get experience of playing, working on technique and being comfortable with each other. Any tactical observations needed - then the coach steps in with a strategy ie: "When Johnson bowls a short one at you, don't duck into it, you plank" - that sort of advice...you know what I mean. A posse of suited guys on a balcony is not going to govern the individual guts and toughness of the players on the pitch - whatever they say. And well done Australia - a perfect, comprehensive stuffing, administered in mean, nasty, agressive fashion. They'll get some back in South Africa no doubt...'Shorty' Steyn will be slinging them down and Philander might have a say too. Roll on February!
Cricket's not been the same since Weetabix, beer and poker+rum sessions in the changing room gave way to insurance companies and corporate boxes.<corinthian fogey alert>
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The comment today from Flower in any case is to quash rumours he issued any ultimatum regarding KP's future in the team.
What else could he say publicly though?
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Selvey reckons Pieterson will want to sign up for IPL (last opportunity for a big pay day) which in effect means he'll need to retire from international cricket.
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fair point
Yes - he may already have said something privately....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25650615
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Here's an interesting article - by Barney Ronay, one of my favourites via The Guardian.
Go for the full article here.
One of my very minor claims to fame is that I used to employ one of the England women's team. Proper serious athletes are intimidating people.
And twenty years before that my second ever employee was a lass who later came #6 in Miss World. She wasn't intimidating - nor even, as I recall, outstandingly attractive. Not that I am either.
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Diplomatic but interesting comments by Charlotte Edwards interviewed on the Beeb this morning. Essentially, "because we know how to turn out as a team, not as a collection of planet-sized egos."
Andy Flower has fallen on his sword as we lose yet another game in the T20 series.
Ashley Giles is being touted as next head honcho - I sincerely hope, but have strong doubts, that he will be a more inspiring coach than he was a player
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25982894
Ashley Giles is being touted as next head honcho - I sincerely hope, but have strong doubts, that he will be a more inspiring coach than he was a player
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25982894
And 'spelt' and periwinkle have appeared in other threads!
Spooky, Rocky!
