The Football.....

[PaulSB]

i cant believe im agreeing with you.....

Lose all the clubs to super league and the money will fall out of every other league in england as sky will just show the super league. No trickle down money, no relegation money...no handouts when clubs are struggling as they did during covid. Nadda, Nothing, Zilch...see how many clubs are left within a few years.

An unlikely scenario. There used to be a trickle down effect in the FL but there isn't today. No parachute payments would be very positive as the current system badly skews the Championship in favour of the relegated clubs. The PL hardly covered itself in glory during Covid.

 

[PaulSB]

Lol.

How many clubs do you want to get rid of? Pro football has always, since its inception, been the plaything of rich owners as well as the passion of fans. Currently the difference is that those owners are making money rather than sinking it into the clubs.

Splitting the league up won't change the influence of rich owners, you'll just get lower quality football.

City, Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and I guess Newcastle are the clubs which are badly skewing and adversely impacting the rest of the game. One way or another their activity needs to be curtailed.

I agree with your point regarding ownership to an extent. Historically there has never been the situation where the league is made up of cannon fodder and 5-6 clubs wealthy enough to do as they please. There was a time when every fan could start the season with some hope of success. That is long gone to the detriment of the game.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Historically there has never been the situation where the league is made up of cannon fodder and 5-6 clubs wealthy enough to do as they please.

I think this is quite untrue. Historically there have been significant periods of dominance of clubs. If anything, now it's more open than for much of the history.

Indeed, FFP was conceived as a way to protect the existing cartel from outside investment.

 

[PaulSB]

The championship has less money floating around in it, and competition is all the better for it.

Exactly. The vast majority of matches are there to be won. Much as I want to see my club, Blackburn Rovers, have a successful season and get promoted I know in my head that would mean all of next season watching lambs to the slaughter. What good would it do us? With luck wipe out our debt in one season before we got relegated.

Not much of an ambition really. Get promoted. Wipe out the debt. Get relegated. That is not what football is all about.

 

[jowwy]

City, Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and I guess Newcastle are the clubs which are badly skewing and adversely impacting the rest of the game. One way or another their activity needs to be curtailed.

I agree with your point regarding ownership to an extent. Historically there has never been the situation where the league is made up of cannon fodder and 5-6 clubs wealthy enough to do as they please. There was a time when every fan could start the season with some hope of success. That is long gone to the detriment of the game.

Liverpool have spent less than all of those clubs, also less than everton…..we have a net spend of 258m over 10yrs….city, chelsea, utd, spurs are close to or over a billion in net spend. Our owners only spend what they accumulate through sales.

We have never had owners like chelsea, utd, city who have spent millions, upon millions in every transfer window and guaranteed the payments from their own wealth. Liverpools owners wont do that.

 

[PaulSB]

I think this is quite untrue. Historically there have been significant periods of dominance of clubs. If anything, now it's more open than for much of the history.

Indeed, FFP was conceived as a way to protect the existing cartel from outside investment.

Sorry, FFP is a joke and does nothing to curb spending as far as I can see. Chelsea are getting ready to spend £105m on one player today. FFP isnt controlling spending. Our owners would probably sell Rovers lock, stock and barrel for something like £130m.

Yes, there have been previous periods of dominance but never before to the extent 5-6 clubs totally dominate the game with no serious prospect of that dominance being broken.

Look at City, and I don't mean to upset any City fans here, always the poor relation in Manchester. Winning a bit of this and that but not a big club. The only thing which put City at the top today is billions of £££.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Look at City, and I don't mean to upset any City fans here, always the poor relation in Manchester. Winning a bit of this and that but not a big club

Lol

 

[T4tomo]

Sorry, FFP is a joke and does nothing to curb spending as far as I can see. Chelsea are getting ready to spend £105m on one player today. FFP isnt controlling spending. Our owners would probably sell Rovers lock, stock and barrel for something like £130m.

Yes, there have been previous periods of dominance but never before to the extent 5-6 clubs totally dominate the game with no serious prospect of that dominance being broken.

Look at City, and I don't mean to upset any City fans here, always the poor relation in Manchester. Winning a bit of this and that but not a big club. The only thing which put City at the top today is billions of £££.

Completely agree, gone are the days (without a massive cash injection) that a team can get promoted from the 2nd tier, win the top flight and defend a European cup in the space of 3 seasons.
Jack Walkers "millions" wouldn't get Blackburn very far nowadays, ditto Steve Gibson when Boro were holding there own at the top table in the early 2000's.
Look how much Forest have had to spunk on players yet still struggling to stay up.

Brighton might be a counter example, doing pretty well on a modest budget in what their 5/6th season back up, but they are 20 points off top spot and realistically have no hope of changing that, with top clubs snifffing around their best players

 

[Alex321]

Exactly. The vast majority of matches are there to be won. Much as I want to see my club, Blackburn Rovers, have a successful season and get promoted I know in my head that would mean all of next season watching lambs to the slaughter. What good would it do us? With luck wipe out our debt in one season before we got relegated.

Not much of an ambition really. Get promoted. Wipe out the debt. Get relegated. That is not what football is all about.

It is what football has always been about (except possibly the debt bit) for certain teams. There have always been "yo-yo" teams who regularly get promoted then relegated. It has always been the case that the teams promoted to the top division were the most likely ones to be relegated the following season.

I also disagree about your assertion "never before to the extent 5-6 clubs totally dominate the game with no serious prospect of that dominance being broken." There have been such periods, sometimes with only 3-4 clubs dominating. But that dominance has always eventually broken, other clubs have joined the big players, while some have fallen away.

Even now, you listed Newcastle in your list of dominant clubs above, but they were relegated in 2016, and struggled for several years after returning to the PL. Even last season, they failed to win any of their first 14 games, until Howe was brought in.

 

[T4tomo]

Boro have signed Aaron Ramsey.

Yes that made double take too

 

[Slick]

Boro have signed Aaron Ramsey.

Yes that made double take too

Jeezo, hopefully he does more for them than he could manage for the Rangers.

 

[vickster]

Jeezo, hopefully he does more for them than he could manage for the Rangers.

Different player

 

[postman]

who's top of the league?? ah yes the teams getting relegation money from the premier league and re-investing it to come back up.

i mean the top two are so far ahead, its hardly competitive as you say

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Hells bells that is a massive gap.Third to sixth are playing for the play offs,Burnley and Sheffield are up.Cant see them blowing those leads.

 

[Alex321]

Hells bells that is a massive gap.Third to sixth are playing for the play offs,Burnley and Sheffield are up.Cant see them blowing those leads.

Make that 3rd to about 14th, all within 5 points of a playoff place. 18 games to go for most, 5 points is not much.

The gap between 2nd and 3rd is the same as the gap between 6th and 20th.

 

[Dec66]

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