nickyboy
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Is the premise of your argument that carbon bikes fail more than non-carbon per se, or that they fail more than non-carbon in the event of an impact?
The More Cash Than Brains Track Bike The Worx WX-R Vorteq $39,000 ? :(
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Anthony.R.Brown
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Both!
Carbon is an inferior product compared to Steel and Aluminium in many ways!
Example just try getting a good fixing with something simple like the screws that hold mudguards to a bike on those types of bikes,and you will find that even the slightest bit of extra pressure applied when tightening the screw will result in the screw stripping the thread! ?
classic33
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You just have to be mindful of the materials in use.Both!
Carbon is an inferior product compared to Steel and Aluminium in many ways!
Example just try getting a good fixing with something simple like the screws that hold mudguards to a bike on those types of bikes,and you will find that even the slightest bit of extra pressure applied when tightening the screw will result in the screw stripping the thread! ?
I've stripped threads on a tractor wheel before today.
Let's get this thread back on topic - we don't need 10 pages of google search results cluttering it up.
This statement is clearly false - science dictates that, but also look at the real world - successful teams spend about £2M per Olympic medal, everything is analysed and considered to the nth degree, the riders even have heated trousers after their warm up. Since carbon fibre has become widely available, steel has not had a look in and won any medals. Look at your own hour records - all on carbon fibre. Position is vital, but it is not everthing.
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So if you are one of those riders with more Cash than Brains ? then go get yourself a Worx WX-R Vorteq for $39,000 ?
I Guarantee a good rider would go just as fast using a Steel framed track bike with good components they don't have to be the best,position is about the most important thing the rest is Marketing garbage!
This statement is clearly false - science dictates that, but also look at the real world - successful teams spend about £2M per Olympic medal, everything is analysed and considered to the nth degree, the riders even have heated trousers after their warm up. Since carbon fibre has become widely available, steel has not had a look in and won any medals. Look at your own hour records - all on carbon fibre. Position is vital, but it is not everthing.
Yes! they wasted 25+ years for nothing! Eddy Merckx hour record using a Steel Track bike has stood the test of time! the main reason they go so much further is because of what I said above "Position is everything" and the Banned Tri bar position is not allowed if a person wants to try and break Eddy Merckx hour record using a Steel Track bike etc.
His record lasted for a long time because nobody cared about it, it was out of fashion. Moser's attempt reinvigorated interest under different rules Merckx record was ignored.
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What a disgrace you are to this forum to say no one cared about the Greatest Hour Cycling record of Merckx's ?
The fact is everyone knew how difficult it would be to even try and beat Merckx's record under the same conditions!
The proof of that is Chris Boardman only managed to beat Merckx's record by 10 meters,and that was with a bike with better tire rolling resistance,a smoother Track,and better knowledge of blood condition related to diet etc. needed to beat such a record! gained in the 28 year gap since Merckx's rode.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdwSOX6BoA
Below is the Genius at work!...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjEvDlFqdM
Hacienda71
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Merckx was caught doping three times in his career when testing was fairly rudimentary. Chris Boardman never tested positive for peds despite a more stringent testing regime. Just saying like. 
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Merckx was caught doping three times in his career when testing was fairly rudimentary. Chris Boardman never tested positive for peds despite a more stringent testing regime. Just saying like.
Merckx was never charged with doping for his Hour record!!!
classic33
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Doesn't alter the fact he was caught cheating.Merckx was never charged with doping for his Hour record!!!
Hacienda71
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Was he tested?Merckx was never charged with doping for his Hour record!!!
What a disgrace you are to this forum to say no one cared about the Greatest Hour Cycling record of Merckx's ?
The fact is everyone knew how difficult it would be to even try and beat Merckx's record under the same conditions!
The proof of that is Chris Boardman only managed to beat Merckx's record by 10 meters,and that was with a bike with better tire rolling resistance,a smoother Track,and better knowledge of blood condition related to diet etc. needed to beat such a record! gained in the 28 year gap since Merckx's rode.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdwSOX6BoA
Below is the Genius at work!...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjEvDlFqdM
Boardman was not a particularly world class rider himself, he was a very good cyclist with a passion for innovation, look at who beat Boardman after, a cycling nobody. Eddy’s record stood for just 12 years during a lull for the track before the record split into a non-UCI record. People were more interested in the faster times and did not care about the UCI, in addition Saint Eddy himself would have put his hand up and said he was better on the road than the track.
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We've not even mentioned Graeme Obree's World Hour Record, riding 51.596km on Old Faithful in 1993.
Doesn't Chris Boardman still hold one of the hour records for the UCI best human effort (1986–2014).
Doesn't Chris Boardman still hold one of the hour records for the UCI best human effort (1986–2014).
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We've not even mentioned Graeme Obree's World Hour Record, riding 51.596km on Old Faithful in 1993.
Doesn't Chris Boardman still hold one of the hour records for the UCI best human effort (1986–2014).
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I am fully aware of Graeme's Amazing rides especially because he was a 100% amateur rider,and was even unemployed!
Luckily for Graeme he never used Carbon Bars & long stem etc. otherwise we may not even be talking about him!
FishFright
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New Scientist - The article talks about a fault in testing and not a failure of the material
Car - talks about the relative safety lightweight vs standard cars
Fishing tackle - Seriously???
Yachts - Interesting but 2003 which is a long time in material science but it in no way supports your argument.
You really should read the articles before posting links.
I an sure you are aware that all materials fail, especially if they are under engineered. The big stem failure at the Olympics which was initially blamed on carbon was in fact a titanium part
