classic33
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No, but you are.
Truck drivers forum perspective of cyclist fatality.
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Yeah it's amazing how Dan's coffee doesn't just sink straight through to the floor...
That's a pretty opaque remark
classic33
Leg End Member
Probably because its in another container(cup).
I believe the argument was to do with the number of trucks coming in from Europe where the tax and fuel situation allowed them an advantage
Yep!
It's a semi skilled job with a huge amount of responsibility but you can believe it. The figures look better when you factor in the hours that the average truck driver will actually put in. 65+ is common for my husband. And no he doesn't need to fiddle his tacho for this to happen and he does comply with the works time directive!!!! The tacho laws are an ass, they make for stressed, tired drivers without being fiddled.
Many companies no longer allow a passenger in the cab at all anyway due to compliance with their insurance restrictions and the risk of driver distraction.
The man at the wheel needs to respond instantly to what he sees, not have it relayed to him with the chance of misinterpretation.
Having a second person is not going to make it on anyone's agenda including the experts. Expecting someone to watch over all the times for a one off event is poor planning as the success outlook is not robust enough. More likely that a ban on the heavier HGV or modification of the cab spec to lower the view. So lets not belabour something that will never make the cut.
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Cracking a solo.
No you're right, let's not, and we've already been told in this thread that lorry design isn't going to change either, so that's that then, all sorted
IMO, this thread has headed down a cul-de-sac with the 2nd person. However, the issue still remains that large trucks and most worryingly, the tipper trucks have safety issues on urban roads. Cracking that problem is going to take a challenge. Part of the solution is cyclist education - don't cycle up the inside of trucks. But, the FTA and RHA need to improve their safety record. IMO, part of this is that Cat C vehs (tippers) are driven by less experienced and less well qualified drivers than C+E (artics). We have heard from Bradane on his salary levels for a C+E driver. One can expect that the Cat C trucks are definitely on min wage - the wage level of a Tesco checkout person!
The Traffic Commissioners need to take more action. The Operator's licence is an important licence which can be revoked by the Commissioner. Having been through my CPC a few years ago, I know how transport operators worry about the VOSA inspections and the impact on their business. I therefore suggest that this angle is most likely to get their attention. Perhaps a need for an HSE examination for any injury as a result of poordriving, demanding a need to review the operators licences.
The Traffic Commissioners need to take more action. The Operator's licence is an important licence which can be revoked by the Commissioner. Having been through my CPC a few years ago, I know how transport operators worry about the VOSA inspections and the impact on their business. I therefore suggest that this angle is most likely to get their attention. Perhaps a need for an HSE examination for any injury as a result of poordriving, demanding a need to review the operators licences.
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Brandane
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If you're in primary in the left lane waiting to go straight ahead, why is there a vehicle to your right indicating left?
Is it an HGV about to make a tight left turn and needs to use both lanes? Whatever; I would get far enough in front of it so that I could make sure the driver had seen me, by making eye contact. If that meant crossing the stop line at a red light then so be it, I'd take my chance with the law rather than risk not being seen by the driver.
I agree completely. A car/van driver is typically at similar level, but in an LGV the driver can be obscured from someone to his left - just outside the mirror range.
Also, any change in the law would require a change in the law.No you're right, let's not, and we've already been told in this thread that lorry design isn't going to change either, so that's that then, all sorted
You're right, let's just carry on pretending that more stickers will fix everything
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Brandane
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Errm; yes!
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Brandane
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Nice bit of selective reading there. I think what is being said is that the design of lorries currently on the road isn't going to change any time soon. The design will no doubt evolve as needs change, and if the designers/law makers identify a need for extra glass panels or whatever to improve a drivers field of vision, then it will happen.No you're right, let's not, and we've already been told in this thread that lorry design isn't going to change either, so that's that then, all sorted
That's a long way off though. The current new lorries will be on the roads for years to come.
The other question - Is it a vehicle of an inappropriate size for a tight urban environment - somewhere upthread someone suggested £1M as the average cost of a fatality - more like the bottom end - seriously injured are more and that is just the monetary aspects - social/family costs are difficult to put a number on - we have only been talking about the cyclist fatalities - for every fatality there are at many times more seriously injured - Ive never seen the stats wrt lorry versus pedestrians and private cars but I suspect they are not insignificant.
If haulage firms cannot come up with voluntary solutions then banning large vehicles from the center of our cities during peak or maybe even daytime hours (as in Dublin and Paris) must be considered
