Use of electric bikes by younger people.
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The manufacturers depend on the retailers to sell thier products, so no point in squeezing them to tightly. I think most of us have no idea of how much it costs to sell a product, I do for the two businesses I own but not cycle industry that is for sure, obviously for a shop the more you tunrover the lower per item your fixed costs will be.
I think shops have to make a lot of profit, because of high rents and business rates.... and we the customers end up paying for that. Then people like me, feel like we are being ripped off, so buy online. Then the shops close and the people that charge these high rents and rates aren't getting any income at all.
Rents & rates for shops should be lowered, not the customers having to pay ever higher prices. This would go someway to keep shops open.
Do you think wages should be lowered to match the lower costs? I agree with high business costs, it is very important not to confuse margin with profit, I see profit as the very tine bit left over when everything is paid out, most businesses in the UK at the moment making no profit at all, yes most.
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As said probably worthy of it's own thread, I shall now desist in replying again
Ming the Merciless
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Looks can be deceptive when it comes to fitness. Some keep looking slim via calorie restricted diets, rather than actual exercise. Some only work on strength / body shaping whilst doing nothing for cadiovascular fitness. It's a bit like when people say fit and well, when many really mean that they are not ill. Being not ill and being fit and well are different things. Unless someone has been out exercising with you, it's hard to tell just how fit (or not) they are in comparison to you.
glasgowcyclist
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That's a bit like asking how long's a piece of string. There will be numerous variables to take into account but @Pale Rider should be able to give you some guidance.
Pale Rider
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@overmind has already been referred to the Bosch range assistant, which gives a good idea of how rider, route, motor use, bike, and weather can impact on range.
Most legal full assist ebikes give similar range when used in similar conditions.
There is no magic wand, so no point in looking for one.
The ebikemotion light assist hub drive as fitted to several roadie bikes gives a longer range.
This is mostly because the motor is only being asked to provide a small amount of power, but also because many ebikemotion buyers tend to have just come off the back of the club peloton.
Bosch and other similar bikes tend to be bought by middle aged blokes with no recent cycling history.
Rider weight and fitness being one of the things that can have a big impact on range.
You know your stuff @Pale Rider
Pale Rider
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Ta, I've been riding ebikes and studying the ready made market for 10 years.
The latter is sad in a way, but I have picked up a fair bit of knowledge.
I'm not so well up on after market kits - there are a handful of contributors on here who know a lot more about those than me.
SkipdiverJohn
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Same story here, and mine was also a 5-speed not a 10! Way faster and less effort than riding a grifter or chopper. The brakes on mine were good (in the dry anyway!), and I've liked bikes with suicide levers ever since. They are fine for normal speed control, rather than performing emergency stops, so long as you keep them closely adjusted to minimise the lever travel.
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Very true. I know a few italians. They value appearance a lot and compared to many (maybe the majority) of brits have an iron will when it comes to portion control. But little stamina.
DSK
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I've been having this debate with a couple of the guys in the office who have bikes or, would like a bike to just commute on as ever restricted parking, increasing traffic jams are beginning to take their toll but, are not concerned about the effort of cycling but more about not being able to keep at a reasonable pace causing a danger to fitter/faster cyclists and causing drivers to get even more irate. Additionally our new offices do not have showers so that a downer.
I used to ride my commute route almost 20 years ago for 1 year on a road bike. Even compared against my motorbike at the time, I was barely 2-3 minutes slower, from A to B over 4 miles, despite me speeding on the motorbike. On the odd occasion with tail wind, flowing run I matched the motorbike's time. The car's time was easily matched (usually a tad quicker) with the advantage of not wasting time finding parking and then walking etc. Admittedly, I was riding flat out to achieve this but, was able to do so back at that age and high level of physical fitness and strength. Since my knees had issues my running and football for cardio came to an abrupt halt 9 years ago and I've just been doing gym instead. I am taking advantage of the quieter roads at present, to get my cycling fitness and performance better but, I'm genuinely intrigued how an e-road bike would compare. As an example, my Trek ALR is a great road bike but, my Giant Propel oddly glides smoother, maintains its speed easier, more responsive and tangibly quicker for the same effort. I do not like to knock something without trying but, I am certainly going to see if I can get a test ride on an e-road bike back to back with my normal road bike to see what the real difference is. After a real world test, I may just seriously consider an E-bike if it makes me feel more confident to tackle my commuting needs/wants. For me there would need to be a serious advantage in the real world, over and above boosting my personal cycling stamina/performance as, E-bikes are hideously expensive, maintenance costs and complications will also rise as and when stuff breaks or one fancies upgrading bits and bobs.
Some people are just down right lazy and yes, full electric propulsion with no effort is their ideal but, as mentioned by many posters, there are some great uses for e-bikes either fully or partially propelled and they play a vital part in the evolution of cycling in my opinion.
I used to ride my commute route almost 20 years ago for 1 year on a road bike. Even compared against my motorbike at the time, I was barely 2-3 minutes slower, from A to B over 4 miles, despite me speeding on the motorbike. On the odd occasion with tail wind, flowing run I matched the motorbike's time. The car's time was easily matched (usually a tad quicker) with the advantage of not wasting time finding parking and then walking etc. Admittedly, I was riding flat out to achieve this but, was able to do so back at that age and high level of physical fitness and strength. Since my knees had issues my running and football for cardio came to an abrupt halt 9 years ago and I've just been doing gym instead. I am taking advantage of the quieter roads at present, to get my cycling fitness and performance better but, I'm genuinely intrigued how an e-road bike would compare. As an example, my Trek ALR is a great road bike but, my Giant Propel oddly glides smoother, maintains its speed easier, more responsive and tangibly quicker for the same effort. I do not like to knock something without trying but, I am certainly going to see if I can get a test ride on an e-road bike back to back with my normal road bike to see what the real difference is. After a real world test, I may just seriously consider an E-bike if it makes me feel more confident to tackle my commuting needs/wants. For me there would need to be a serious advantage in the real world, over and above boosting my personal cycling stamina/performance as, E-bikes are hideously expensive, maintenance costs and complications will also rise as and when stuff breaks or one fancies upgrading bits and bobs.
Some people are just down right lazy and yes, full electric propulsion with no effort is their ideal but, as mentioned by many posters, there are some great uses for e-bikes either fully or partially propelled and they play a vital part in the evolution of cycling in my opinion.
