Wahoo and Routes

[Sea of vapours]

This was on a desktop (windows 11, chrome or firefox browser).
If I checked the box for turn notifications when downloading, it insisted on a subscription. I'm subscribed now, otherwise I'd do a screenshot.

I just tried this (in a browser, created a RWGPS free a/c, created route, tried assorted export / synch options) and it invariably says that you need a paid subscription in order for the route to feature 'Notify before turn'. This appears to be... a little misleading since, when the route is on the head unit (Wahoo ROAM V2), it does have turn-by-turn navigation. I infer that these turn-by-turn cues are being created by the head unit; after all, it can do turn-by-turn having created a route itself, so it would be surprising if it could not import a file and add turn-by-turn instructions to it. I suspect that what you *need* a paid RWGPS subscription for is various things that RWGPS can add, such as 'custom' waypoints, points of interest, 'custom' cues. Those are undeniably useful, but not essential for turn-by-turn.

 

[lazybloke]

I just tried this (in a browser, created a RWGPS free a/c, created route, tried assorted export / synch options) and it invariably says that you need a paid subscription in order for the route to feature 'Notify before turn'. This appears to be... a little misleading since, when the route is on the head unit (Wahoo ROAM V2), it does have turn-by-turn navigation. I infer that these turn-by-turn cues are being created by the head unit; after all, it can do turn-by-turn having created a route itself, so it would be surprising if it could not import a file and add turn-by-turn instructions to it. I suspect that what you *need* a paid RWGPS subscription for is various things that RWGPS can add, such as 'custom' waypoints, points of interest, 'custom' cues. Those are undeniably useful, but not essential for turn-by-turn.

Yes - if it was JUST the turn notifications then no problem at all.
I should have been more specific with the problem I experience.


It's precisely those other features I want - the waypoints, POIs and other cues - they're not "custom" in any way, they're standard features of various route file formats, and often provide vital information about a route; eg locations for dispersed riders to regroup; clues for a treasure hunt; stops for food/drink; and even audax controls (particularly info controls which won't be obvious).

RidewithGPS have chosen a subscription model that strips out that information; it's quite an annoyance.

 

[Sea of vapours]

RidewithGPS have chosen a subscription model that strips out that information; it's quite an annoyance.

That is pretty annoying. Other services have done similar types of thing over the years, either removing the ability to produce custom* items at all or charging for the ability to do so (which is at least less bad). Other's make it merely awkward or hidden to define such things :-\

... the waypoints, POIs and other cues ...

* That's precisely what custom means in this context. They're not things like turn-by-turn cues which software can produce automatically, they're things that users insert to customise and improve their routes by adding information specific to an event (as distinct from that related to a line going a long a road/path and the intersections on that road/path). They're certainly features of file formats, and have been for over three decades, but they are almost invariably inserted by users, not by /automated/ software.

 

[PaulSB]

RidewithGPS have chosen a subscription model that strips out that information; it's quite an annoyannoyance.

I can understand this but there's an alternative perspective. I've been a subscriber for 8/9 years. When I asked a friend why he subscribed he replied "because I want it to be there in the future." That hadn't occurred to me. I went home and signed up. I feel it's reasonable for subscribers to access features that are unavailable to free users. A reasonable approach to funding the business in my view.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I can understand this but there's an alternative perspective. I've been a subscriber for 8/9 years. When I asked a friend why he subscribed he replied "because I want it to be there in the future." That hadn't occurred to me. I went home and signed up. I feel it's reasonable for subscribers to access features that are unavailable to free users. A reasonable approach to funding the business in my view.

I think there's a saying along the lines "If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product".

ie the alternative to subscription is exploitation of your data or attention (to ads).

 

[PaulSB]

I think there's a saying along the lines "If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product".

ie the alternative to subscription is exploitation of your data or attention (to ads).

Very true.

 

[figbat]

I just tried this (in a browser, created a RWGPS free a/c, created route, tried assorted export / synch options) and it invariably says that you need a paid subscription in order for the route to feature 'Notify before turn'. This appears to be... a little misleading since, when the route is on the head unit (Wahoo ROAM V2), it does have turn-by-turn navigation. I infer that these turn-by-turn cues are being created by the head unit; after all, it can do turn-by-turn having created a route itself, so it would be surprising if it could not import a file and add turn-by-turn instructions to it. I suspect that what you *need* a paid RWGPS subscription for is various things that RWGPS can add, such as 'custom' waypoints, points of interest, 'custom' cues. Those are undeniably useful, but not essential for turn-by-turn.

When I used my Bolt V1 I only got TbT notifications if I had created a route in RWGPS; never if generated in Strava.

However the Bolt V2 gives me TbT regardless of the route’s genesis so I agree that the newer head units do native TbT.

 

[lazybloke]

I can understand this but there's an alternative perspective. I've been a subscriber for 8/9 years. When I asked a friend why he subscribed he replied "because I want it to be there in the future." That hadn't occurred to me. I went home and signed up. I feel it's reasonable for subscribers to access features that are unavailable to free users. A reasonable approach to funding the business in my view.

I think there's a saying along the lines "If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product".

ie the alternative to subscription is exploitation of your data or attention (to ads).

Fair enough, but i now support three of these site. RobbedbyGPS is the one I would rather not have.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Fair enough, but i now support three of these site. RobbedbyGPS is the one I would rather not have.

Just pick one you like and stick to that then?

 

[lazybloke]

Just pick one you like and stick to that then?

If only there was a one-size-fits-all solution, then this thread, and large swathes of the internet, would be superfluous!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If only there was a one-size-fits-all solution, then this thread, and large swathes of the internet, would be superfluous!

If you want multiple solutions, pay multiple times?

 

[Glasgow44]

Hi guys. Thanks everyone so far for your replies. I'm unable to pull through routes from Komoot onto my Wahoo. I've got Komoot down as one of my authorised apps but it won't pull through any routes to my Wahoo. Am I doing something wrong? I'm trying to pull through the 4 Abbeys Cycle Route but its not doing it (the route isn't appearing on my route on the Wahoo app):

 

[ColinJ]

This appears to be... a little misleading since, when the route is on the head unit (Wahoo ROAM V2), it does have turn-by-turn navigation. I infer that these turn-by-turn cues are being created by the head unit; after all, it can do turn-by-turn having created a route itself, so it would be surprising if it could not import a file and add turn-by-turn instructions to it.

I have a Bolt V2. I use cycle.travel to plot my routes and get turn by turn navigation but I have found cases where the instructions were wrong. One example was a dog leg junction in Devon - a right turn with a left turn about 10 metres further on. The Bolt simply suggested turning left at the right turn. I reported the error to Richard at cycle.travel and he fixed it. I reloaded the route to the Bolt on my next visit and the turn-by-turn instructions were then correct at the junction.

So... That makes me think that the head unit does not add turn-by-turn instructions if the file already contains them. I will create a GPX file on my old Memory Map software and see if the Bolt adds turn-by-turn instructions to that.

 

[Sea of vapours]

s not doing it (the route isn't appearing on my route on the Wahoo app):

Have you checked the head unit itself? If not, turn it on, synch it and see if the route is there.

I ask since, as a test, I just created a Komoot route (on a browser, on a laptop, and it appeared on the Wahoo head unit as soon as I turned the head unit on and synched it (via WiFi direct to the head unit, not via the phone), whereas it has taken about five minutes to appear on the phone, which was switched on with the Wahoo Elemnt App running at all times.

 

[Sea of vapours]

So... That makes me think that the head unit does not add turn-by-turn instructions if the file already contains them.

I concur that that's how it behaves, so far as I've seen. I'd also suggest that that is the correct, or at least /desirable/ behaviour, is it not?