Was this bus driver bad?

[col]

Col are you on the Christmas port or something?


Think I'll join you!
slurrp

No,but i wish i was,but im up at 330 in the morning,for another lovely shift.

 

[Brock]

Best hit the sack then mate!

 

[col]

Best hit the sack then mate!

I did used to go early,but just lay looking at the clock,cant go before eleven now,unless im at the end of a week of earlies,then im ready to go to kip.Kettles gone on,for the last drink of the night.

 

[goo_mason]

I did used to go early,but just lay looking at the clock,cant go before eleven now,unless im at the end of a week of earlies,then im ready to go to kip.Kettles gone on,for the last drink of the night.

Try re-reading this whole thread from the start if you have trouble getting to sleep. It certainly works for mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Tetedelacourse]

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[gambatte]

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Mind, maybe 'The Neverending Story' would have been a better template?

 

[Cab]

'domd you need to post that in the 'is this cyclist bad' thread, we're talking about the bus driver here, remember?'

that's convenient, so it all about how bad the bus driver was and the cyclist is irrelevant?

Did I miss something, or is the title of the thread 'was this bus driver bad', and is it not about a bus driver asking whether or not she was in the wrong?

Yes, its all about the bus driver. It isn't about whether the cyclist was wrong or not.

 

[Cab]

No, I don't.

The actions of the cyclist are relevant - you can't choose to ignore them just because the cyclist didn't act in a particularly sensible manner.

Ignore them? So are you actually going to comment on what I've actually said about the cyclists behaviour and the repurcussions thereof, or are you just going to assert that they're being ignored? Or are you instead going to tell us why what may have been a mistake from the cyclist would excuse a later intentional, dangerous manoevre from another vehicle? Is it now okay to endanger people because we think they've done something stupid?

Or do you have some secret evidence that the cyclist definitely did something stupid, and could not have had a valid reason for starting to go past the bus, which you can then elaborately expand into reasoning why out-accelerating a vehicle thats going past you is now acceptable?

 

[Tynan]

Did I miss something, or is the title of the thread 'was this bus driver bad', and is it not about a bus driver asking whether or not she was in the wrong?

Yes, its all about the bus driver. It isn't about whether the cyclist was wrong or not.

you surely can't be serious?

so it a two vehicle incident and the behaviour of one of the parties is utterly irrelevant and not to be commented on in anyway?

incredible

 

[Cab]

No it would have meant you would have a bus and a cycle going up the road at 10mph!!:?:

If your vehicle really can't slow down from 10mph without bucking about, its probably not fit to be on the road.

But to be honest, I've been in a bus countless times. Nearly all drivers in nearly all busses can slow down from 10mph without throwing passengers about; you didn't need to do a sudden stop, you just needed to ease off (feathering?).

 

[Cab]

you surely can't be serious?

so it a two vehicle incident and the behaviour of one of the parties is utterly irrelevant and not to be commented on in anyway?

incredible

The question is 'was the bus driver bad'. What part of that do you find hard to comprehend?

If the cyclist made an initial mistake, or not, it doesn't at all change whether or not the bus driver was subsequently wrong to out-accelerate the cyclist, or whether the bus driver also made an initial mistake (understandable) in not spotting the cyclist.

Nethalus seems to accept that. You don't? Why not?

 

[Cab]

No it would have meant you would have a bus and a cycle going up the road at 10mph!!:?:

Better than out-accelerating the bike.

If you maintain a constant course and speed then the cyclist can eiether continue overtaking (I'd be well past you if you were doing 10mph), or slow down and tuck in behind you. If you accelerate you're endangering the cyclist.

The highway code tells you, in this situation, to slow down. It doesn't tell you that you have to take a risk to allow the other guy past. The correct course of action would be to gently slow down (if you can) and move over a little to make the overtaking safer. If you really can't slow down from 10mph without danger then your vehicle shouldn't be on the road, to be honest.

 

[Tynan]

because I find it a very narrow way to look at the problem that does the situation no justice

I understand your argument just find, thank-you so much for suggesting I'm stupid, you and your reasonable arguments strike again

you do this don't you, work out by trial the part of the argument that you can defend and then stick to it, ignoring and disqualifying all the bits that you can't

 

[Cab]

because I find it a very narrow way to look at the problem that does the situation no justice

You mean, if the cyclist had made a mistake it would justify the bus driver not taking every care in ensuring the safety of another road user? Because thats what it comes down to; if the cyclists behaviour is relevant to the subsequent actions of the bus driver once she's seen the cyclist and knows he's there, then thats precisely what you're saying.

I understand your argument just find, thank-you so much for suggesting I'm stupid, you and your reasonable arguments strike again

you do this don't you, work out by trial the part of the argument that you can defend and then stick to it, ignoring and disqualifying all the bits that you can't

Nope. I deduce or induce what I believe to be a correct position and test it by comparing it with other positions put forward by other people. I wish I could work out what the hell the angle you're taking is.

 

[Tynan]

it's not black and white cab, it rarely is, it doesn't have to be either party's fault entirely, it can be both in part

you started with a much wider argument than out accelerating earlier on...

I suggest you were shown to be unfounded on most of your initial points and are now repeatedly posting 'out accelerating' as your last proof that the bus driver was wrong, while saying that the cyclist's blame is irrelevant

that simply sounds like an attempt to win an argument regardless to me

no comment on suggesting I'm stupid because you didn't like my post? weren't you one that denied making personal remarks to other posters and thus starting rancour on the thread?

I posted plenty of times on this thread before it turned into war and peace, I'm long since sick of thrashing out what are very unremarkable facts, the situation probably crops up for me and indeed anyone on a bus route ten times a day and more, it's not exciting and it's not contentious

shouldn't be anyway