Was this bus driver bad?

[magnatom]

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Keep going guys, I don't think we've had a 50 page thread in commuting yet on cyclechat. I think we have a good chance with this one

So we know where the bus was and where the cyclist was but where does the elephant come in to all of this?:?:

 

[Tynan]

the cyclist is utterly irrelevant so I leave you guess where the elephant comes into it

 

[Cab]

it's not black and white cab, it rarely is, it doesn't have to be either party's fault entirely, it can be both in part

But that isn't the question. The question is whether or not the bus driver was bad. Whether or not the cyclist should have gone past is a different question to what the bus driver should do having made an initial error (not seeing the cyclist, easily happens).

you started with a much wider argument than out accelerating earlier on...

Which is what the topic is about; was the bus driver bad. The answer is yes, the bus driver made three mistakes. I provided reaosning for that, and, crucially, on reflecting on those reasons and my request that she not make the same errors again, she agreed.

So she accepted that. You don't? Why not?

I suggest you were shown to be unfounded on most of your initial points and are now repeatedly posting 'out accelerating' as your last proof that the bus driver was wrong, while saying that the cyclist's blame is irrelevant

that simply sounds like an attempt to win an argument regardless to me

Each and every one of my points (the three errors made by the bus driver) has been accepted by that driver. I've not sought to defend other assertions.

no comment on suggesting I'm stupid because you didn't like my post? weren't you one that denied making personal remarks to other posters and thus starting rancour on the thread?

Suggesting you were stupid? Where? Really, do you mean 'what part of (x) do you not understand?'. I still don't know why you believe that when the topic under discussion is 'was the bus driver bad' you want to seek vindication in other possible errors made by the cyclist (errors we can't ascertain were made or not) of mistakes already accepted by the bus driver. It makes no sense. If you're feeling insulted by that question, tough, its not an insult. Its a request for clarification, for you to explain a stance that makes no sense.

 

[Tynan]

it suggest that the only reason you could think of for me not agreeing with your stance was that I was too stupid to understand it, what other reason could there be?

do you get bored with repeating the same narrow arguments over and over again? I'm starting to think that you're not doing it on purpose

it's why you're always the last man standing on these set pieces

 

[Cab]

it suggest that the only reason you could think of for me not agreeing with your stance was that I was too stupid to understand it, what other reason could there be?

I humbly put it to you that you've got a chip on your shoulder.

do you get bored with repeating the same narrow arguments over and over again? I'm starting to think that you're not doing it on purpose

it's why you're always the last man standing on these set pieces

Thats simple to answer. Because I'll only get involved in a discussion like this when I am, demonstrably, right.

 

[gambatte]

So we know where the bus was and where the cyclist was but where does the elephant come in to all of this?

He gave the giraffe a lift

 

[nethalus]

Oops I've popped back in.

Keep going guys, I don't think we've had a 50 page thread in commuting yet on cyclechat. I think we have a good chance with this one

So we know where the bus was and where the cyclist was but where does the elephant come in to all of this?

It was on the top deck of the bus on one of the seats behind the stairwell!

 

[Tynan]

cab, I do hope there's some humour in there, you've been shown to be wrong several times on this very thread, most recently when you said the cycle was halfway past the bus before it pulled out

as for chip, you most certainly suggested that I couldn't/didn't understand your argument, as one of your sympathisers earlier on this thread said, your arguments are 'aggressive'

I'd go further than myself, suspect others would too

 

[nethalus]

Oops I've popped back in.

Keep going guys, I don't think we've had a 50 page thread in commuting yet on cyclechat. I think we have a good chance with this one

So we know where the bus was and where the cyclist was but where does the elephant come in to all of this?

Mind you, saying that good old Jamcomus Rides Gen started one of the longest threads going on bloodbus. Albeit it did start to go off subject after a while!

 

[domd1979]

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

I humbly put it to you that you've got a chip on your shoulder.

 

[domd1979]

So are you actually going to comment on what I've actually said about the cyclists behaviour and the repurcussions thereof, or are you just going to assert that they're being ignored?

Are you actually going to comment on the 3 highway code rules I posted before that the cyclist broke (plus a fourth - letting buses pull out, which I forgot to add in before)? Thought not.

Or are you instead going to tell us why what may have been a mistake from the cyclist would excuse a later intentional, dangerous manoevre from another vehicle? Is it now okay to endanger people because we think they've done something stupid?

It wasn't a particularly dangerous scenario was it though? The bus had plenty of room to accelerate into, the cyclist had plenty of room to slow down and let the bus out. Hardly life threatening.

 

[domd1979]

Some where here:

http://www.kalimpong.info/wordpress/wp-content/images/nosyguy001sd1.jpg

So we know where the bus was and where the cyclist was but where does the elephant come in to all of this?

 

[tdr1nka]

I humbly put it to you that you've got a chip on your shoulder.



Thats simple to answer. Because I'll only get involved in a discussion like this when I am, demonstrably, right.

For fear of pouring water on coals once more, may I suggest that Cab is a demonstratively well balanced chap with a chip on both shoulders.

T x

 

[BentMikey]

Come on Cab, what's so hard about admitting there is a sliding scale of emphasis in the situation which ranges from your extreme, that of it being better for the bus to stop and wait for the cyclist to pass, to my extreme, that of it being better for the bus to continue with a committed move.

You can't possibly argue that stopping is the only correct thing to do, not and remain credible. You should also realise your viewpoint is unlikely to be correct when you have so many experienced cyclists disagreeing with you.

 

[tdr1nka]

If only we as road users could throw the full force of the highway code at every driver that made the tiniest error of judgement, regardless of how potentially fatal the outcome may or could have been, the roads would be totally empty but for cyclists and lynch mobs out to find cyclists.
It gets my vote of course, but it is an utter fantasy.

Cab, I have had a bus driver leave a scene when he had let passengers off his bus when stuck in traffic and not at a stop.
One of his passengers stepped out behind the bus and met me rolling to a stop behind the bus. This spooked the passenger enough to punch me in the head repeatedly until I was losing teeth.

The driver was in the wrong to let the passengers off, simply enough.
The driver who bore witness said he would call the Police but then didn't and drove off with a bus full of witnesses to my assault.
Following up the reg & route of the bus I found the Manager at the bus depot singularly unhelpful and the driver wouldn't even be questioned as he was a temporary driver on that route and didn't work from the Stockwell Garage.

This might also be why I err on the side of caution when dealing with busses. Always expect the unexpected.

T x