Was this bus driver bad?

[nethalus]

Lads,

Our first 50-pager should be something memorable. A valid argument. A hot topic. An argument with a crack-pot. A long long thread of photos. A furious row full of abuse and spinny-style insults.

Not a bunch of women still posting the same mundane comment after several days.

Think of the children.

Is this really the first time a topic has gone on for 50 pages!!

 

[gambatte]

First time on here I think.

It happened a few times on the old C+ forum.

Whatever you do, don't suggest that red light jumping is safer than not.

But it is, if riding a giraffe....

 

[Tetedelacourse]

He is right though, but it's like backing George Galloway to win Celebrity Big Brother.

 

[tdr1nka]

Like riding a giraffe with a CCTV camera on its head.
Cor! Imagine the view!

T x

 

[Brock]

Like riding a giraffe with a CCTV camera on its head.
Cor! Imagine the view!

T x

The view would mostly be neck I assume?

 

[gambatte]

The view would mostly be neck I assume?

On its head, not yours

Panoramic views of homicidal maniac bus drivers and cyclists with uzis...


(Wonder if its available for PS3?)

 

[nethalus]

Taking it personally? No, and I'll bet the only reason Nethalus has agreed with your point of view is just to get you to stop posting.
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Damn I got sussed!!!













Only kiddin!!!

 

[Cab]

cab, I do hope there's some humour in there, you've been shown to be wrong several times on this very thread, most recently when you said the cycle was halfway past the bus before it pulled out

Errm, no, I really haven't. I'm correct, Nethalus has accepted that I'm correct, you don't. I'm right in terms of what is expected, legally, from any road user. I'm right that trying to out-accelerate a vehicle passing you ion those circumstances is dangerous. I'm right that Nethalus oughtn't have compounded an initial understandable error with two further errors, and I'm glad that she's accepted that. She's clearly a better person than some others here for that, and perhaps next time there will be less risk of a cyclist getting hurt because of it. I'd have thought you'd be glad about that, clearly not.

as for chip, you most certainly suggested that I couldn't/didn't understand your argument, as one of your sympathisers earlier on this thread said, your arguments are 'aggressive'

I'd go further than myself, suspect others would too

You're oddly sore about this for someone who hasn't actually put any constructive argument forward. Get over it.

 

[Cab]

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

Chip on shoulder? On the contrary, this thread has shown me that theres absolutely no reason for me to ever take posts by certain contributors seriously. Really, I've come away from this with an odd sense of superiority.

 

[Cab]

Are you actually going to comment on the 3 highway code rules I posted before that the cyclist broke (plus a fourth - letting buses pull out, which I forgot to add in before)? Thought not.

See the topic of the thread. Was the bus driver bad. We have no knowledge of what the cyclist really did; its not on topic and it isn't relevant to the question in hand.

It wasn't a particularly dangerous scenario was it though? The bus had plenty of room to accelerate into, the cyclist had plenty of room to slow down and let the bus out. Hardly life threatening.

I beg to differ. Having a vehicle compound the error of having not seen a cyclist by then continuing to pull into the space the cyclist is in/heading in to is potentially lethal; but really, thats not the point. The point is that its a needless extra risk that you just can't rightly expose other road users to. Ain't legal, ain't appropriate. Or do you believe that needlessly increasing the risk other road users face is okay?

 

[Cab]

Come on Cab, what's so hard about admitting there is a sliding scale of emphasis in the situation which ranges from your extreme, that of it being better for the bus to stop and wait for the cyclist to pass, to my extreme, that of it being better for the bus to continue with a committed move.

Based on what Nethalus said, and what she's agreed, that simply isn't applicable. She asknowledged her error, its a simple set of errors to make that each compound the last. I haven't put forward an 'extreme', I've not put any set of circumstances forward.

You can't possibly argue that stopping is the only correct thing to do, not and remain credible. You should also realise your viewpoint is unlikely to be correct when you have so many experienced cyclists disagreeing with you.

Ain't my fault if there are others here who couldn't seem to analyze the position as described by Nethalus.

 

[Cab]

If only we as road users could throw the full force of the highway code at every driver that made the tiniest error of judgement, regardless of how potentially fatal the outcome may or could have been, the roads would be totally empty but for cyclists and lynch mobs out to find cyclists.
It gets my vote of course, but it is an utter fantasy.

I agree. Can't do that. Doesn't make telling people who ask about what they did whether or not they were wrong, which is after all the topic of this discussion. Nethalus asked, I told her.

Cab, I have had a bus driver leave a scene when he had let passengers off his bus when stuck in traffic and not at a stop.
One of his passengers stepped out behind the bus and met me rolling to a stop behind the bus. This spooked the passenger enough to punch me in the head repeatedly until I was losing teeth.

The driver was in the wrong to let the passengers off, simply enough.
The driver who bore witness said he would call the Police but then didn't and drove off with a bus full of witnesses to my assault.
Following up the reg & route of the bus I found the Manager at the bus depot singularly unhelpful and the driver wouldn't even be questioned as he was a temporary driver on that route and didn't work from the Stockwell Garage.

This might also be why I err on the side of caution when dealing with busses. Always expect the unexpected.

T x

Terrible, horrible thing to happen. And I always treat busses or any other vehicles as if they're driven by/passengered with wierdos. Doesn't make any such behaviour excusable just because we're looking out for it, though.

 

[Twenty Inch]

I haven't bothered reading 42 pages of posts but just wanted to add my tuppence' worth

*takes out 2p, chucks it at computer*

There. Ta-ra!

 

[mickle]

A tuppence isn't 2p though

 

[Twenty Inch]

A tuppence isn't 2p though

Would you abuse me like that if you were working in a bank? No, didn't think so. It's completely unacceptable and you know it.