Other way round ms had a thick envelope from intel to hinder performance on AMD hardware. CPUs sold today were designed 3-4 years ago when indows 11 was officially cancelled.
Windows 11
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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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The software that made mount-on-insert widespread was released 17 years ago (udev, 2003), but before that, it was possible with hotplug (since 2001) or the Berkeley Automounter (since 1989). So software that could do it actually predates Linux and whether it worked for you depended on whether the makers of your Linux system offered and configured it.
But yeah, it's really widespread now.
Does Windows still sometimes misdetect the type of hardware that has been connected? That was why I first switched: I connected a modem and Windows tried to use it as a mouse and I never did figure out how to convince it otherwise...
DRM
Guru
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I’ve put Zorin on dual boot with W10 pro on a 10 year old Thinkpad, and it was just that, plug and play, if you’ve got to the point where Windows is no longer supported you might as well just overwrite it and use one of the more user friendly distributions such as Zorin, Mint or Ubuntu for example, for most people it’s all they need with no messing about involved, for a small business they come with Libre Office too, some businesses won’t be able to update even if the hardware can as they maybe using an app that’s not compatible with W11 for their business, it’s just bizarre and smacks of brown envelopes flying around to me
Businesses generally will not rush to change to a new version of an operating system and wait until suppliers of the software they use confirm or provide patches to ensure compatibility. The main work program I use whilst running in Windows is actually a Unix program and the supplier has wiped out all competitors so any update is a long time coming and frankly it is long out of date with little in built error checking meaning incorrect entries are not challenged, On the positive side slow uptake did mean many businesses avoided the nightmare of Windows 8.
Brave of you.
I love messing with computers and can't resist pressing an 'update' button (whether I need to or no) but my Win10 machine said 'no' to Win11 because of the processor. I considered trying another route (as I say, I like playing) but maybe I'm getting old, or losing my sense of adventure or something, as I decided to leave it be.
I've done a number of Windows 10 installs for myself and others and I hate to admit it, as I've always wanted to ditch MS, but they've all been a doddle. Put a USB stick in, reboot, confirm your region and then watch it chunter away. Years since I had a Windows hardware detection issue - probably back with XP.
Linux on the other hand...oh dear. If you've got standard hardware, fine - installation is very straightforward. However, I've had dual boot Linux/Windows PCs since the late 90s (Suse 6 to 8), various flavours of Ubuntu and finally Mint up to 19 point something. None of them worked first time and there was always at least one item that took longer to get working than everything else put together. The worst was a satellite TV card that needed its driver command-line recompiled every time the kernel upgraded.
For software, while Wine will run many common Windows Programs, it doesn't work 100% with everything and if it is specialist stuff, it's likely there will be problems. For example, I got some geophys software working in Wine but then found it wouldn't download data from the meter because it refused to communicate via com ports (yes, there are still com ports on modern archaeological equipment).
The PC I've built now is without a Linux installation on it and I don't miss it. Getting all my stuff working on Linux was always an absorbing nerdy exercise but it wasn't a consumer-friendly one in the slightest. It's certainly improved, though, and if all you need is basic functionality, it's fairly straightforward to install for almost any distro. I'll probably put it on a laptop whose Win10 licence I transferred to another unit.
Linux on the other hand...oh dear. If you've got standard hardware, fine - installation is very straightforward. However, I've had dual boot Linux/Windows PCs since the late 90s (Suse 6 to 8), various flavours of Ubuntu and finally Mint up to 19 point something. None of them worked first time and there was always at least one item that took longer to get working than everything else put together. The worst was a satellite TV card that needed its driver command-line recompiled every time the kernel upgraded.
For software, while Wine will run many common Windows Programs, it doesn't work 100% with everything and if it is specialist stuff, it's likely there will be problems. For example, I got some geophys software working in Wine but then found it wouldn't download data from the meter because it refused to communicate via com ports (yes, there are still com ports on modern archaeological equipment).
The PC I've built now is without a Linux installation on it and I don't miss it. Getting all my stuff working on Linux was always an absorbing nerdy exercise but it wasn't a consumer-friendly one in the slightest. It's certainly improved, though, and if all you need is basic functionality, it's fairly straightforward to install for almost any distro. I'll probably put it on a laptop whose Win10 licence I transferred to another unit.
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All this techy stuff baffles me I must admit - I have zero interest. No material relevance to my usage experience.
Average user (at least I think I am): web browsing, streaming, Email, Photoshop, Excel, Word & Spotify stuff that I cannot do on IOS or Android.
MS Windows simply works, zero hassle, never had virus's etc - don't even think about the OS.
That's why millions of ordinary users happily use it.
Average user (at least I think I am): web browsing, streaming, Email, Photoshop, Excel, Word & Spotify stuff that I cannot do on IOS or Android.
MS Windows simply works, zero hassle, never had virus's etc - don't even think about the OS.
That's why millions of ordinary users happily use it.
Nice analogy.
HMS_Dave
Grand Old Lady
How well you get on with Linux depends entirely on what you do with your machine. Most use cases of PC usage is internet surfing, emails, office tools such as word processing. Linux really excels in this department far in excess of Windows right out of the box, no geeky commands and all desktop GUI familiarity of Windows/Apple etc. The experience is snappier, no telemetry, no bloat, it just works. It's safer too. Nearly all the programs and drivers come down off a Linux repository so no dodgy programs or questionable download websites unless you have your own third party software. Linux also is secure with encryption if you wish making it one of the safest operating systems you could possibly use.
Where it falls down is proprietary software and obviously some windows software isn't going to run or will run with issues through compatibility layer programs. I've yet to struggle to get a program working or find an equivalent alternative but this is where most users are likely to go back to windows after giving Linux a go and what a few members on the forum have referred to as "too geeky" or "frustrating" which is completely understandable.
Linux uptake is on the rise though, even increasing in popularity with gamers, another area Linux does not excel at but is coming on leaps and bounds thanks to companies like Valve. This increase in uptake means more developers will begin to consider Linux as a viable alternative and will likely make the experience a true rival to Windows/Apple for the mainstream market.
Interesting times ahead.
Where it falls down is proprietary software and obviously some windows software isn't going to run or will run with issues through compatibility layer programs. I've yet to struggle to get a program working or find an equivalent alternative but this is where most users are likely to go back to windows after giving Linux a go and what a few members on the forum have referred to as "too geeky" or "frustrating" which is completely understandable.
Linux uptake is on the rise though, even increasing in popularity with gamers, another area Linux does not excel at but is coming on leaps and bounds thanks to companies like Valve. This increase in uptake means more developers will begin to consider Linux as a viable alternative and will likely make the experience a true rival to Windows/Apple for the mainstream market.
Interesting times ahead.
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deptfordmarmoset
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I just installed my first update to W11. It now gives an estimated time to complete the process. That's a good idea if it works, I thought. 5 minutes it said. Let's time it. 30 seconds!
Apparently, M$ have found a failsafe way of getting away from the blue screen of death. They've made it black. https://uk.pcmag.com/operating-systems/134287/the-windows-11-blue-screen-of-death-is-black
Apparently, M$ have found a failsafe way of getting away from the blue screen of death. They've made it black. https://uk.pcmag.com/operating-systems/134287/the-windows-11-blue-screen-of-death-is-black
HMS_Dave
Grand Old Lady
Why does Linux have to make an appearance every time there is a Windows thread?
Can't someone start a dedicated one to end this phenomenon (I have to think hard whenever I have to spell this).
@HMS_Dave In no way is this a personal dig at you.
No its alright mate, you're quite right.
Even a Wahoo Elemnt whatever appears to normally needs more messing about on a system other than Windows
- Windows: ELEMNT will automatically show up in Windows Explorer and you can browse and transfer files similar to any other USB flash device.
Note: it may be necessary to copy files onto a PC before uploading to applications like Golden Cheetah; uploads directly from USB may fail. - Apple Mac (MacOS): A MTP client is required to copy files from ELEMNT. Android File Transfer by Google is one of the most popular and easiest to use clients on OSX. Download Here (https://www.android.com/filetransfer/). If your ELEMNT is not detected by Android File Transfer, restart both the ELEMNT and computer and try again.
- Linux: Support for MTP is via libmtp, which is generally included with popular desktop Linux distributions. On some systems, ELEMNT should also appear on your Linux desktop's file manager.
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Ta - I absolutely love being right!
Especially when arguing with my verbally tricksy and very smart (also very lovely) wife.
