winning an argument when you are right?

[glasgowcyclist]

If I'm wrong, and he does actually carry four small folding pocket knives, then he remains within the law, and doesn't need to justify it to anyone I'm afraid.

He does indeed carry four knives.

... having 4 on me means if i were to mislay one or leave on in the lambing sheds and i am out in the fields or if one needs a bit of a sharpen i always have at least one good one

Seems a bit over the top though (and I speak as a knife carrier).


GC

 

[swee'pea99]

He does indeed carry four knives.



Seems a bit over the top though (and I speak as a knife carrier).


GC

I've heard he carries a hand grenade as well...god knows what that's all about.

 

[Cubist]

It's legal to own four bicycles, but harder to justify.......

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Even harder to use all four at the same time.

GC

 

[User269]

Mostly, people won't let the small matter of facts get in the way of their mindless inane bigotry beliefs. Here endeth the First Lesson.

 

[gbb]

I can't really offer anything to OPs predicament, but i'm reminded of a guys statement when argueing the toss over a works canteen table.
He argued HE was right, various counter arguements followed, he countered...
'Its not often i'm wrong...and i think you'll find i'm right again'

You sensed the oppositions shoulders dropping. He wouldnt accept it and no amount of argueing would convince him. You can't argue with someone like that...

 

[User6179]

I can't really offer anything to OPs predicament, but i'm reminded of a guys statement when argueing the toss over a works canteen table.
He argued HE was right, various counter arguements followed, he countered...
'Its not often i'm wrong...and i think you'll find i'm right again'

You sensed the oppositions shoulders dropping. He wouldnt accept it and no amount of argueing would convince him. You can't argue with someone like that...

Sounds familiar, reminds me of someone on here

 

[Archie_tect]

Found a modelling scalpel with a rigid plastic cover over the blade at the bottom of my pannier the other day, I use it to cut the long ends off zip ties. So, this is presumably highly illegal and I should get myself a small penknife?

 

[jefmcg]

he may also email i geography teacher saying that i am a dangerous individual and she needs to take matters further?

You're a 70kg 15 year old who likes to get into fights and carries 4 knives outside of school? He probably should at least give someone the word, just in case.

(I had a friend who got out of teaching in schools and into distance education - she phones and emails her students - after she intervened when one student grabbed another's breasts and he pulled a knife on her)

 

[SpokeyDokey]

My (sadly long departed) Mum once said to me:

"Just because someone is clever, and can argue well, doesn't make them right."

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Also, no matter how well you phrase your argument, or how 'right' you are, there will always be a smart *arse who will pick holes in what you say. For whatever reason (ime) these people tend to be academically bright but are found languishing in hopeless, dead end jobs whinging about how unfair life has been to them as they have been passed over (for the umpteenth time) for that juicy promotion. I digress - apologies.

 

[Paulus]

There are times when you know you are right, the other involved know you are right, but for what ever reason they won't accept that you are right, then it is time to walk away, They are fools, and at sometime in the future they will remember what you told them and it will all make sense.to them. Be the bigger person, keep quiet and bask in the smug knowledge that you are right..

 

[ayceejay]

keep quiet and bask in the smug knowledge that you are right.
I tried that once and was denied dinner and nookie, smug basking not allowed right or wrong has nothing to do with iy.

 

[Cubist]

Found a modelling scalpel with a rigid plastic cover over the blade at the bottom of my pannier the other day, I use it to cut the long ends off zip ties. So, this is presumably highly illegal and I should get myself a small penknife?

No. The modelling knife is carried by you for a specific purpose, ie to cut zip ties. Provided you explain that and it's obvious to the officer that you have zip ties holding your bike together, and spares that you are likely to attach at some point in the future, you have your good reason. A small folding pocket knife would be better, and wouldn't need explaining.
I carry a small liner lock knife when I'm at work. It's sharp enough to shave with, and has cut several ligatures and a few seatbelts in its time, so my work justifies it. I personally refuse to carry a folding pocket knife as a matter of course, simply because I find them incredibly dangerous to the user. My left forefinger and the ball of my right thumb bear the scars of stupid weak folding blades.

I personally disagree with the case law that made a lock knife fall outside of the definition of a folder. I don't believe the legislation was originally aimed at them, but someone, somewhere had a point to prove in taking someone to court and arguing that releasing the lock before folding the blade made it more dangerous.

Blade length is mostly irrelevant. A two inch blade struck with sufficient force will penetrate deep enough to hit many vital organs, give the way that the body will compress under the force of the striking fist. I've seen autopsy photos of punctured hearts and livers using a small vegetable peeler.

Of more concern than the locking function should be the opening method. All of my lock knives ( and I have a few for different purposes, none bigger than 7.62cm) are designed for one-handed opening, either with an exaggerated cutout or a thumb stud. Practically speaking I can hold a fish, rabbit, struggling suicidal prisoner or whatever in one hand, and open my knife with the other.

However, I've also faced three people with knives, all of which wanted to hurt me. One was a half pair of tailor's shears sharpened to stiletto dimensions. You can't conceal eighteen inches of gleaming steel, so he got pegged before he could even raise it halfway. Another made great show of opening his folder in front of me, giving me time to "generate a bit of distance" and shout for help, and the third waited til I was up close and personal before whipping out a thumb-opener he'd got in his pocket and cured my constipation by remodelling my jacket for me. My preferred options are to generate distance and shout for help, or resort to pegging folk only if strictly necessary. In that instance I decided I could do both, and shouted for help whilst pegging him reasonably enthusiastically.

 

[Ganymede]

Crikey, Cubist, you have an altogether too exciting life.

 

[Archie_tect]

Thanks Cubist- that's really useful- think I'll go buy a small Swiss Army penknife for the pannier!