It's a nice idea but there is no shortage of other noises in very busy town centres, and unless it's only audible to the people on the left side of the vehicle I fear it's just going to be another piece to add to the confusion. But maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic - have the TRL or anybody done studies?
Woman cyclist killed in Victoria (tipper truck)
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w00hoo_kent
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I thought some also played a warning of a voice saying 'warning turning left'. Also as it's triggered by the indicator, that has its own set of problems...
I still don't think we should be comfortable with undertaking on the left having the death penalty. Agreed, if all the conjecture is correct there wasn't much the lorry driver could do, but decent mirrors and using them isn't impossible, there's a big difference between 'not much' and 'nothing'.
I shoulder check when crossing the mouth of a junction to make sure nobody is about to left hook me, on the few times I've driven something Luton size of bigger I've been very wary of the inside of the vehicle when turning left. I guess it's possible familiarity takes away some of the fear that breeds that caution.
I still don't think we should be comfortable with undertaking on the left having the death penalty. Agreed, if all the conjecture is correct there wasn't much the lorry driver could do, but decent mirrors and using them isn't impossible, there's a big difference between 'not much' and 'nothing'.
I shoulder check when crossing the mouth of a junction to make sure nobody is about to left hook me, on the few times I've driven something Luton size of bigger I've been very wary of the inside of the vehicle when turning left. I guess it's possible familiarity takes away some of the fear that breeds that caution.
glenn forger
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Two children have lost their mum
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...eroftwo-and-wife-of-energy-boss-10058945.html
The lorry in yesterday’s collision belonged to Crossrail contractor Gordon. A driver from the same firm, Anthony Howsego, will stand trial at Wood Green crown court on June 16 accused of causing the death by careless driving of hospital porter Brian Holt as he cycled home via a cycle superhighway at Mile End in November 2013.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...eroftwo-and-wife-of-energy-boss-10058945.html
The lorry in yesterday’s collision belonged to Crossrail contractor Gordon. A driver from the same firm, Anthony Howsego, will stand trial at Wood Green crown court on June 16 accused of causing the death by careless driving of hospital porter Brian Holt as he cycled home via a cycle superhighway at Mile End in November 2013.
Exactly. Given that undertaking any other kind of vehicle on the left seems to be a much less risky endeavour, it seems that irrespective of "blame" or "responsibility", there should be things we could do to make tipper trucks or the way in which they are used more forgiving.
glenn forger
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And better educate cyclists on the dangers somehow
And stop declaring the driver innocent before the investigation has even started.
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And better educate cyclists on the dangers somehow
Sometimes some people don't want to be educated
w00hoo_kent
One of the 64K
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- Maidstone or Greenwich
Lets face it, we know very little and are unlikely to be told much more, especially not quickly.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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As far as I understand the reports and pictures, it was a left-turn-only filter lane (Bressenden Place into Victoria Street). Surely the driver should have been looking at their sides in a narrowed-by-construction street?
Yes but that will never reach 100%. Alongside reallocations of space for permanent street layouts, the Code of Practice on Safety at Street Works needs beefing up and giving teeth, to stop people pushing such a deadly mix of high volumes of traffic through bodged-up roads.And better educate cyclists on the dangers somehow
w00hoo_kent
One of the 64K
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- Maidstone or Greenwich
And the lorry even had the big 'don't overtake on the left' sticker on it.
It will never stop being the case that 'some people are idiots, and some of them ride bicycles.'
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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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Sadly, I think that has been overused so much that it has become meaningless and is seen as just another offensive sticker, especially in London. It was never a great idea, what with cycleways generally being on the left of carriageways and overtaking on the left being fine in that situation.
w00hoo_kent
One of the 64K
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- Maidstone or Greenwich
It's my belief that any vehicle that feels the need for a 'don't overtake on the left sticker' on the back should be forced to have a similarly sized one on the dash saying 'remember to look out for cycles & pedestrians'.
from the eyewitness report from another cyclist (CTC forum) : The lorry, which I was behind, was already manoeuvring when the cyclist passed me on the left and then tried to pass the lorry on the left hand side
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