You nearly caused a f***ing accident - how about you nearly did
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fossyant said:
Glad the OP is Ok , and do report ot!
One thing I have found with the camera is that I am more polite......
I don't know whether it is "performing" but I find myself thinking that I need to be reasonable as it looks and sound better if you do complain.
I have one with a taxi at the moment and overtake at a narrow junction and left hook, squeezing between me in primary and an Island...... He then pulls over and is being abusive, I ask him to stop swearing and explain his driving, he then explains in an expletive ridden sentence that I was in his way and had no right to delay him.
Couldn't have asked for better!
thomas
the tank engine
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- Woking/Norwich
gaz said:
From the video I thought your positioning was near perfect. Even if you had been closer to the kerb, he'd of either squeezed past too closely or have forced a car in the other lane to stop/avoid him.
The point he did overtake, even if you'd of been gutter hugging, he'd still have pulled out in front of the car coming the other way. Hopefully the Police will knock some sense into him (literally
)Cunobelin said:
I wouldn't say performing, but certainly they can potentially have a controlling element which can only be a good thing.
tdr1nka
Taking the biscuit
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I think having the camera gives you an upper hand in such situations, the drivers have no idea that they are being filmed so you can rest back on your heels and let them do their worst.
Sorry to see all that Gaz and well held.
Sorry to see all that Gaz and well held.
Milo
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My he had certainly been eating his readybrek and the bowl too by the look of it.
OK, so now the expert opinion!
Your cycling was spot on, i.e. you were where you should be. At the speed you were travelling you would have held him up for a matter of seconds. You also handled his aggression very well. I would have probably been more vocal back, but that could have provoked things more (adrenaline).
The 'driver' (he shouldn't be one). Was impatient and arrogant. He forward evaluation of the road was non-existent, and his aggression clouded any judgement that he may posses (very little). He overtook, blew it and cr@ped himself in the process. Angry that he made such a stupid mistake, he felt the need to compensate, to transfer his feelings of inadequacy onto someone else. It would help him feel 'big and hard' again. So he stops and suggests that in fact he didn't make a mistake... you did. Having passed the blame and thus convinced himself that he was right, he heads off, looking forward to recounting his version of the story (bl**dy cyclists!) to his mates in the pub later.
Good luck with the police. I sincerely hope they take this seriously.
Your cycling was spot on, i.e. you were where you should be. At the speed you were travelling you would have held him up for a matter of seconds. You also handled his aggression very well. I would have probably been more vocal back, but that could have provoked things more (adrenaline).
The 'driver' (he shouldn't be one). Was impatient and arrogant. He forward evaluation of the road was non-existent, and his aggression clouded any judgement that he may posses (very little). He overtook, blew it and cr@ped himself in the process. Angry that he made such a stupid mistake, he felt the need to compensate, to transfer his feelings of inadequacy onto someone else. It would help him feel 'big and hard' again. So he stops and suggests that in fact he didn't make a mistake... you did. Having passed the blame and thus convinced himself that he was right, he heads off, looking forward to recounting his version of the story (bl**dy cyclists!) to his mates in the pub later.
Good luck with the police. I sincerely hope they take this seriously.
Origamist
Legendary Member
Abysmal driving by a Cro-ydon Magnon human.
When confronted with a driver like that there is no place that will keep you safe on a narrow lane with guard rails. The double white lines are there for a reason.
If you ride in the gutter a car might be able to pass without straddling the centre lines if you are prepared for overtakes within a few inches of your elbows.
If you ride a metre or so out you will stop most overtakes, but you will still be open to close passes as some drivers will see an opportunity to try to pass and squeeze you.
If you ride in the centre of the lane you will get very few passes, but you will suffer occasional driver impatience and aggression.
I'm glad that guy didn't lamp you, Gaz.
When confronted with a driver like that there is no place that will keep you safe on a narrow lane with guard rails. The double white lines are there for a reason.
If you ride in the gutter a car might be able to pass without straddling the centre lines if you are prepared for overtakes within a few inches of your elbows.
If you ride a metre or so out you will stop most overtakes, but you will still be open to close passes as some drivers will see an opportunity to try to pass and squeeze you.
If you ride in the centre of the lane you will get very few passes, but you will suffer occasional driver impatience and aggression.
I'm glad that guy didn't lamp you, Gaz.
wafflycat
New Member
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TheDoctor said:
I completely agree. As a cyclist, I'd have been cycling in the same position. As a motorist, there is no way I'd have attempted to overtake there. Would it have bothered me to hang back a while? No, it wouldn't. It was a blatently unsafe manouvre and drivers like that should not be allowed to be in charge of motor.
Crankarm
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Tbh it's not that shocking. I've had a lot worse in Cambs riding along rural roads with double whites. Drivers getting out and trying to attack me. It's only when you get the camera out they their attitude changes. But sympathies to you none the less.
Your cycling is fine. Maybe look around a little more often? I know you do when he blows his horn at you. But to play Devil's Advocate the footage is not good as it is rather dark for some reason. You do not get to see the driver's face only hear him being abusive having stopped his car right infront and then got out. OK you film the car crossing double whites onto the other side of the road to pass you but you cannot see clear footage of the number plate or identify the driver which will be crucial in any court setting.
The other thing rule 129. Drivers of vehilces can over take on double whites where the vehicle the vehilce they are passing is a road laying vehicle or the vehicle being passed is doing 10mph or less. What speed were you cycling at? If you had clear footage of the driver then I think it would be an open and shut case. Since you don't if the police do decide to do anything then you WILL have to go to court as the prosecution's main witness. The driver may have commmitted a Public Order Offence under s.5. but as the footage is not good one cannot really see. Were his actions sufficient to cause you alarm or distress or give the impression you might be assaulted? If so then you'll have to tell the magistrates, if as I say the police decide to do anything. The police might only decide to offer words of advice, but my hunch is that they will do absolutely nothing. I used to live in Bromley many moons ago and on the few occasions I needed them their response fell between tardy and indifferent or just plain awful. Bromley police is the force where one of it's traffic officers was convicted of causing DDD by driiving at speeds of well over 100mph up Mason's Hill IIRC killing a pedestrian all for delivering a birthday card.
Good luck.
Maybe look at why your camera is giving such dark images?
Your cycling is fine. Maybe look around a little more often? I know you do when he blows his horn at you. But to play Devil's Advocate the footage is not good as it is rather dark for some reason. You do not get to see the driver's face only hear him being abusive having stopped his car right infront and then got out. OK you film the car crossing double whites onto the other side of the road to pass you but you cannot see clear footage of the number plate or identify the driver which will be crucial in any court setting.
The other thing rule 129. Drivers of vehilces can over take on double whites where the vehicle the vehilce they are passing is a road laying vehicle or the vehicle being passed is doing 10mph or less. What speed were you cycling at? If you had clear footage of the driver then I think it would be an open and shut case. Since you don't if the police do decide to do anything then you WILL have to go to court as the prosecution's main witness. The driver may have commmitted a Public Order Offence under s.5. but as the footage is not good one cannot really see. Were his actions sufficient to cause you alarm or distress or give the impression you might be assaulted? If so then you'll have to tell the magistrates, if as I say the police decide to do anything. The police might only decide to offer words of advice, but my hunch is that they will do absolutely nothing. I used to live in Bromley many moons ago and on the few occasions I needed them their response fell between tardy and indifferent or just plain awful. Bromley police is the force where one of it's traffic officers was convicted of causing DDD by driiving at speeds of well over 100mph up Mason's Hill IIRC killing a pedestrian all for delivering a birthday card.
Good luck.
Maybe look at why your camera is giving such dark images?
OP
OP
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
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- South Croydon
Crankarm said:
Wrong settings for the day. i thought that cloud was going to clear hence the bad image.
Thanks for the words of advice and the info.. i'm not expecting much, then anything that does happen is a result.
no idea, but i guess i will find out shortly.longers said:IfWhen you show it them, will the Police ask you to take the film off here and Youtube? Just wondering
thomas
the tank engine
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- Woking/Norwich
longers said:It looks a grim bit of road that to cycle on and hopefully he gets a visit from the Police about that.
IfWhen you show it them, will the Police ask you to take the film off here and Youtube? Just wondering
Just don't tell them
, if they ask just be honest then. Chances are they might at a stretch just go speak to the guy.The YouTube footage won't be able to be counted as evidence as it has been edited.
OP
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gaz
Cycle Camera TV
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- South Croydon
thomas said:Just don't tell them
The YouTube footage won't be able to be counted as evidence as it has been edited.
I sent them the link
Crankarm
Guru
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- Nr Cambridge
Slightly OT, but camera related. A few years ago C4 or ITV Tonight programme broadcast the footage that a cyclist had taken of his weekly commute. It was shocking the frequency of dangerous driving, near hits, agression, abuse and near assaults he captured. He had a helmet cam but also rigged up a rear facing cam attached to either his seat post or rack. It was sobering footage.
Perhaps a hi-viz gilet with words "CCTV in operation" would be a good idea to deter nutcases and pyschos? Was thinking this afternoon of acquiring one of those orange flashing lights that tractors or bin lorries use and mounting it on a 4 foot pole and attaching it to my rack, seriously.
This was brought on as I had similar situation to the OP but not on double whites, but the road was busy and narrowish. A few cars came past giving a fair amount of room, but traffic now oncoming but this silly bitch, another nurse in uniform thought she could force her way through. I anticpated her impatience by moving into primary, but she was determined to get past or over me, so when she changed down a gear to overtake I sat up and looked around directly at her so see her shouting "Get out of the f*cking way!" Bear in mind she is wearing her nurse's uniform. She was about 30 years old, white, and had red longish hair. But I put in a well timed wobble and she then held back. I guess she suddenly realised what a nobbette she was being. She then turned off left into a Shell garage about 25 yds on so her harassing and trying to run me down was totally pointless. U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e. A nurse as well, not the first dangerous driving one I have encountered I hasten to add.
Perhaps a hi-viz gilet with words "CCTV in operation" would be a good idea to deter nutcases and pyschos? Was thinking this afternoon of acquiring one of those orange flashing lights that tractors or bin lorries use and mounting it on a 4 foot pole and attaching it to my rack, seriously
.This was brought on as I had similar situation to the OP but not on double whites, but the road was busy and narrowish. A few cars came past giving a fair amount of room, but traffic now oncoming but this silly bitch, another nurse in uniform thought she could force her way through. I anticpated her impatience by moving into primary, but she was determined to get past or over me, so when she changed down a gear to overtake I sat up and looked around directly at her so see her shouting "Get out of the f*cking way!" Bear in mind she is wearing her nurse's uniform. She was about 30 years old, white, and had red longish hair. But I put in a well timed wobble and she then held back. I guess she suddenly realised what a nobbette she was being. She then turned off left into a Shell garage about 25 yds on so her harassing and trying to run me down was totally pointless. U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e. A nurse as well, not the first dangerous driving one I have encountered I hasten to add.
