Collision between mega bus and cyclist on Monday
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in the situation we are discussing: Sitting well in advance of the stop line and the setting off without looking trumps all other form of stupidity.
the driver had also to consider his passengers: http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/districtnews/9502272.Grandad_dies_after_bus_fall/
Junctions on roads like that are designed with stop lines far back from the crossing road for good safety reasons - the cyclist chose first of all to circumvent the design intent and then to ignore the most basic principles of cycling safety - don't set off across a fecking road until you can see it is clear and safe to do so
pshore
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Well, if it isn't obvious, that looks like a flippin' scary place to cycle with all that traffic bombing around, and the grand prix ready to sweep you up when the light go red+amber.
I can understand why somebody might want to get a head start and up to speed and out of the way of the traffic behind. Some just don't have the balls to take and control the lane.
I can understand why somebody might want to get a head start and up to speed and out of the way of the traffic behind. Some just don't have the balls to take and control the lane.
so do I. but if you choose to do that, for feck's sake look out for traffic crossing your path!
PoliceMadAd
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Bus drivers are taught to take their foot off the accelerator when approaching a junction like this, the speed that bus was travelling was ridiculous. If the driver had followed his training he would've had time to react and stop at a red light. The woman was in a vulnerable position, but ultimately my view is the coach driver is at fault.
BentMikey
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That is not this situation. This situation, it looks like that Megabus driver went steaming at full speed through a set of lights, not because he gave a shoot about his passengers, but because he couldn't be arsed to stop and he couldn't care less about going through a red light.
It's only not OK if cyclists do it. It's fine for car and bus drivers to go through the lights. #Iamnotjoking
cd365
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All I can be 100% certain of from watching the OP video is that the female cyclist didn't look right, was ahead of the stop junction and she drove into the side of the bus.
I do not know if the bus sped up and jumped the red light or if it was near the junction and the lights changed and the bus driver decided it was too close to safely stop or if it did not jump the lights at all (I do not know the lighting sequence on that road).
So in my opinion, from the video I saw it was the cyclist's fault. It will be up to the bus company (and maybe the police) to investigate and see if any blame came be apportioned to the bus driver and take any necessary action against the driver.
There are way too many cyclists on this forum who are quick to blame everyone else other than another cyclist. If you want to be judge and jury rely on the facts you can see, conjecture and guesswork are not allowed!
I do not know if the bus sped up and jumped the red light or if it was near the junction and the lights changed and the bus driver decided it was too close to safely stop or if it did not jump the lights at all (I do not know the lighting sequence on that road).
So in my opinion, from the video I saw it was the cyclist's fault. It will be up to the bus company (and maybe the police) to investigate and see if any blame came be apportioned to the bus driver and take any necessary action against the driver.
There are way too many cyclists on this forum who are quick to blame everyone else other than another cyclist. If you want to be judge and jury rely on the facts you can see, conjecture and guesswork are not allowed!
BentMikey
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I don't think anyone is trying to "unblame" the cyclist. We all know what she did wrong, and would like to think we wouldn't make the same mistake. I really do wish more cyclists wouldn't jump the stop line, and would take the lane through junctions and ride vehicularly.
However, it's important to remember that by far the biggest blame and the most dangerous action there was that of the Megabus driver running a red light at speed. Remember that the cyclist's mistake was dangerous only to her and not to anyone else. The bus driver's mistake was dangerous to others and not to himself.
However, it's important to remember that by far the biggest blame and the most dangerous action there was that of the Megabus driver running a red light at speed. Remember that the cyclist's mistake was dangerous only to her and not to anyone else. The bus driver's mistake was dangerous to others and not to himself.
And there are way too many cyclists on this forum who are quick to blame the cyclist and no one else.
What, like what you just did?
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[QUOTE 1900192, member: 9609"].....driver should loose his licence......[/quote]
This discussion is verging on the farcical now! Knee jerk statements to please the crowd, a career in politics beckons.....
The driver did not endanger anybody! He could not possibly forsee that another road user would emerge from a non-traffic light controlled position and travel blindly into the junction before it had cleared. Period! Get over it!
Today I guess both the driver and the cyclist are trembling at the thought of getting back on the road. The driver would have felt ill in the aftermath when it sunk in what he might have witnessed had things turned out differently. The cyclist will have similar fears also about what might have happened. Both will be scared and scarred by the incident.
The driver may have been travelling marginally faster than he could have done and, true, he was the last vehicle through the lights but these facts did not cause the incident. These facts would definitely have contributed to the severity of the incident if it had been worse but that does not put the driver in the wrong.
The driver may have driven slower had there been a crowd of pedestrians gathered at the kerb edge but he can not possibly expect another road user to ride into the side of him from nowhere. What next? Are we to suggest that vehicles slow down when passing over manholes in case a workman happens to pop his head up?
Indeed.
This discussion is verging on the farcical now! Knee jerk statements to please the crowd, a career in politics beckons.....
The driver did not endanger anybody! He could not possibly forsee that another road user would emerge from a non-traffic light controlled position and travel blindly into the junction before it had cleared. Period! Get over it!
Today I guess both the driver and the cyclist are trembling at the thought of getting back on the road. The driver would have felt ill in the aftermath when it sunk in what he might have witnessed had things turned out differently. The cyclist will have similar fears also about what might have happened. Both will be scared and scarred by the incident.
The driver may have been travelling marginally faster than he could have done and, true, he was the last vehicle through the lights but these facts did not cause the incident. These facts would definitely have contributed to the severity of the incident if it had been worse but that does not put the driver in the wrong.
The driver may have driven slower had there been a crowd of pedestrians gathered at the kerb edge but he can not possibly expect another road user to ride into the side of him from nowhere. What next? Are we to suggest that vehicles slow down when passing over manholes in case a workman happens to pop his head up?
Indeed.
BentMikey
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The driver didn't endanger anyone? You must be having a laugh, sunbeam.
There are only two possibilities here: either the Mega Bus driver very recklessly ran a red light at speed, or the light sequences are implemented badly, so badly as to be extremely negligent. My bet is not on the second option, but it is a vanishingly small possibility.
There are only two possibilities here: either the Mega Bus driver very recklessly ran a red light at speed, or the light sequences are implemented badly, so badly as to be extremely negligent. My bet is not on the second option, but it is a vanishingly small possibility.
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NO I am not! I know you have your opinions Mikey and history has shown that these are not going to change regardless of the truth but consider who was going to be put in danger by the buses passage other than the person who jumped the lights and entered the junction without looking or waiting to make sure all other traffic was clear?
She rode into the side of a bus, a f*ckin bus! She needs to get to specsavers my friend.
HLaB
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Regardless of who was a fault, only one person would have got hurt!
No, but he also shouldn't have (potentially, might I add as nobody apart from the driver knows) RLJ'd. If he hadn't jumped the lights then the accident wouldn't have happened in the first place. It's called pre-empting - If you go through on amber or even red you should expect traffic to come onto the junction because their lights are telling them to.
While she may or may not have looked, that is not the point. You can't go jumping lights in a 20 tonne bus because you can't be arsed to stop, because people will end up dead (like this woman very nearly did).
Oh, and if you have ANY sort of licence that allows you to drive a vehicle - give it back. You obviously don't seem to think that was dangerous what he did, which is laughable at best, shocking at worse.
I also commented on the video - they're both at fault, him for not stopping, her for not looking.
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