Dangerous horse riders again

[Linford]

So it was the van driver who was at fault for heeding the request to pass and yet your 215 passage demands that trained drivers who have taken lessons and passed a test take instructions from kids on horses. If that is the case which clearly it is, then the rider was at fault for giving the WVM an instruction that was clearly quite dangerous.

A flash of the headlights or a nod is actually determined as a warning in law, and not 'it's ok, i'm giving way to you as i'm feeling generous'

As a trained and experienced driver, it is up to the WVM to determine if it is safe to cross into the opposite carriageway which might bring him into the path of oncoming vehicles. If the horse rider felt that her horse was likely to do anything erratic as the WVM were to overtake, then she would ask him to wait until given the signal that it was safe for him to then go past her. This is entirely different to him using his observational skills to see if whilst executing the overtake, that he were to put you and your missus in danger.

The same applies to sailing craft on the waterways - they always have right of way over powered craft as they sometimes have to take an erratic course due to the winds etc.

 

[brokenflipflop]

I would suggest that you vented your spleen at the nearest person in that situation, and not at the real villain of the piece. The girls on horseback were exercising their right in law to ride on the road double file where the felt necessary. The fact you don't feel that the road traffic laws as they are written should apply to any given stretch of road you happen to be on is hardly anyone else's problem than your own.

I think you would benefit from re reading the highway code so you are aware of the obligations which you yourself and others on the road are bound to obey. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse at the end of the day when you have to stand before the judge if your actual grasp of the written law differs from what is in the statute books (which it appears to be from what I've read)

The right of women to vote didn't used to be a right until the law changed. I think I've already given my opinion on the madness of letting children on horseback loose on public roads but I do understand it is only an opinion. When you consider all the laws that stop children doing so many things legally..smoking, voting, sex which by and large isn't particularly very dangerous and then allow a kid to take charge of an unpredictable beast on public roads, it seems quite ridiculous to me.

If the WVM was found guilty of whatever, he could be imprisoned, fined, have his licence taken away, suppose a horse/rider causes a serious injury/death. What would their charge/punishment be ? grounded for a week ? no sweeties for a fortnight ? I-phone confiscated ?

 

[Linford]

The right of women to vote didn't used to be a right until the law changed. I think I've already given my opinion on the madness of letting children on horseback loose on public roads but I do understand it is only an opinion. When you consider all the laws that stop children doing so many things legally..smoking, voting, sex which by and large isn't particularly very dangerous and then allow a kid to take charge of an unpredictable beast on public roads, it seems quite ridiculous to me.

If the WVM was found guilty of whatever, he could be imprisoned, fined, have his licence taken away, suppose a horse/rider causes a serious injury/death. What would their charge/punishment be ? grounded for a week ? no sweeties for a fortnight ? I-phone confiscated ?

Would you be able to provide any examples of this, as I just did a quick google, and could only find examples of car and van drivers causing the death of horse riders by behaving like total cocks when around them.
When you are riding a horse,the last thing you want to do is wind it up to the point that it becomes uncontrollable and tanks off with you. That would be an entirely stupid thing to do - but over the years, I've seen a few drivers deliberately rev their
engines or use their horns to wind the horses on the roads up. Wouldn't you agree that this is a totally stupid thing to do when there is a minor on the back of it. You'd not do it with a child on a bicycle, why then do it for a horse and rider....

 

[brokenflipflop]

Would you be able to provide any examples of this, as I just did a quick google, and could only find examples of car and van drivers causing the death of horse riders by behaving like total cocks when around them.
When you are riding a horse,the last thing you want to do is wind it up to the point that it becomes uncontrollable and tanks off with you. That would be an entirely stupid thing to do - but over the years, I've seen a few drivers deliberately rev their
engines or use their horns to wind the horses on the roads up. Wouldn't you agree that this is a totally stupid thing to do when there is a minor on the back of it. You'd not do it with a child on a bicycle, why then do it for a horse and rider....

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4466962.Horse_rider_left_traumatised_after_road_accident/
I've had 25 years of experience on the road and I've ridden horses before - not on roads. I wouldn't ride a horse on a road for the same reason I wouldn't let my dog near a 1 year old child...I wouldn't trust it, like I wouldn't trust a horse and I wouldn't trust a kid on a horse. I wouldn't personally feel safe for me, other road users or the horse if I went on the road on the back of a horse. I'm sure the kids who do it aren't as cautious as me and they are quite blaze about it which to me is in the nature of youngsters. We all know what 17 year old drivers are like and they've passed a test. What road tests to horse riders have?

 

[Norm]

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4466962.Horse_rider_left_traumatised_after_road_accident/

Not that there are many details in that, but it says that the car "collided with the back of her horse", the horse was shot (by a passer-by, who presumably just happened to be carrying a weapon powerful enough to kill a horse! ), the 41 year old rider "was very lucky" that her breastbone didn't break and pierce her heart, but there is no mention of the driver receiving any injuries.

That seems like Linf was correct in saying...

... examples of car and van drivers causing the death of horse riders by behaving like total cocks when around them.

 

[brokenflipflop]

Horse...deaf women riding on her first horse....passers-by carrying weapons to shoot horses....sounds like a freakin' disaster to me.

Get rid of horses and their riders and you get rid of the problem. I know it's not popular on here but come on...a very large and unpredictable beast, walking along 2 abreast 27MPH slower than the rest of the free-flowing traffic being ridden by untrained children and deaf people to me is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Bicycle]

I have over four decades cycling experience on the roads and over three decades as a motorist. I've barely had an incident with a horse rider anywhere - even the texting one I mentioned in another thread was just slightly bizarre.

I cycled on the roads from the age of eight, so did my children. I don't ride a horse, but we are a horse riding family and all my little ones ride on the road.

Whether equestrians are fictional, fantasy or really there, we need to be aware of them and allow for their needs. Similarly, cyclists' needs must be allowed for.

The miscreant in your gripping yarn was the van driver. Did he spot you when he pulled out? You don't say, but he should have done.

If so, and if pulling out after waiting behind horses, he'd have had ample room to pull up. Climbing at 6-9mph, you would too.

I cannot imagine a car pulling out from behind horses generating enough speed to make stopping impossible and to make it necessary for a cyclist to dive for shelter.

I wasn't there of course, so I can't speculate. Were you?

 

[Norm]

... a very large and unpredictable beast, walking along 2 abreast 27MPH slower than the rest of the free-flowing traffic being ridden by untrained children and deaf people to me is a recipe for disaster.

Nope

The moton who feels their driving licence grants them superhuman abilities but who actually cannot cope with others on the road without driving into them is a recipe for disaster.

 

[brokenflipflop]

As the horses were on the other side of the road to us i.e. next to us, that's precisely when the van went, we had nowhere to go other than dive on the pavement. I'm only stating the facts. For me, I'd hope an experienced adult road user wouldn't have ridden a horse 2 abreast over the brow of a hill, nor waved a van through when we were coming along on the other side of the road. I think it's a fair argument that the immaturity and lack of knowhow and possibly formal training of these youngsters on horseback is an issue. I'm not disputing the WVM could have anticipated that the instruction of a kid on a horse might not be wise to adhere to but he wasn't to know they were kids and maybe he should have err'd on the side of caution having just seen the idiots ride 2 abreast over the brow of a hill but either way, poor judgement on his part may have landed him in prison, poor judgement on their part may have meant no smarties for a fortnight. I don't think kids on horses have the where-with-all to ride on the road and if something goes wrong that might not be their fault, would they then have the where-with-all to deal with a situation ?

 

[brokenflipflop]

Yehbbut horses are waaay too big right? Anything thats got a head bigger than mine (and thats saying something, I make Gordon Brown look like a pin head) has no right to be clogging up our country lanes.

Cows are rubbish too.

And dont even get me started on Jodpurs and Barbour.

Ultimately all they're doing is posing on the horse. The risks of such a slow moving unwieldy beast far outweigh the positives (which are what exactly?)

 

[Bicycle]

Ultimately all they're doing is posing on the horse. The risks of such a slow moving unwieldy beast far outweigh the positives (which are what exactly?)

Substitute the word 'bicycle' for horse and you have the blinkered outlook of a tiny minority of motorists in a nutshell.

Hurrah for free speech!

We all have a right to use the highway, fictional or otherwise.

 

[brokenflipflop]

Top tip: A horse can easily be replaced with a mountain bike and a GINORMOUS dildo.

I'm glad you changed that first post, I didn't understand it

I agree. And instead of having to shoot the mountain bike in the event of an accident, you can weigh it in for scrap and give the GINORMOUS dildo to your wife. (it wouldn't be big enough for my wife)

 

[brokenflipflop]

Substitute the word 'bicycle' for horse and you have the blinkered outlook of a tiny minority of motorists in a nutshell.

Hurrah for free speech!

We all have a right to use the highway, fictional or otherwise.

Maybe I am blinkered because I tried substituting the word 'bicycle' for horse but I couldn't find the word 'bicycle'

 

[lukesdad]

It ll be those dangerous walking trees next...mark my words !

 

[totallyfixed]