First electric car experience

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[1] My current vehicle can do 800 miles between the 10 minutes it takes to fill it up, how long in total does it take to charge your BEV for 800 mile use?

There are always a few people who seem to have a genuine need to drive for hours non stop all the time, and you might be one of them. Sadly no EVs is going to fit you demands for a while, even the brand new £140k Mercedes EQS will 'only' do a realistic 350-400 miles with its massive 120kWh battery.

But most families don't use the car like the way you are suggesting. We've do 12k per year in our EV, take it on holiday/abroad and a range of 200 miles is more than enough.

Ofcourse the more miles you do the easier it is to justify an EV. Petrol seems to be approaching over £1.40/l and diesel £1.50/l. As much as electricity costs go up fuelling an EV remains cheap, and the more miles you do the better it is.

The biggest issues with EVs at present remains cost. Its sad to see Tesla constantly increasing prices, as other brands will see no doubt follow.

 

[MrGrumpy]

That's the selfish option. Nuclear is insanely expensive, I don't think anyone has ever made it work without government subsidies.

Then you get 30-40 years of electricity and leave your descendants with a 1000 year clean up bill.

The way things are going if gas is also getting the heave , leccy is going to be the only thing going !

 

[MrGrumpy]

The biggest issues with EVs at present remains cost. Its sad to see Tesla constantly increasing prices, as other brands will see no doubt follow.

It’s also the second hand market as well on EVs . Not everyone buys brand new cars unless on a PCP which is where most folk buy them. The battery life span is massive issue and if buying second hand well who knows how long you will get ? Anyone going to buy a 10yr old Tesla for example ?

 

[neil_merseyside]

There are always a few people who seem to have a genuine need to drive for hours non stop all the time, and you might be one of them. Sadly no EVs is going to fit you demands for a while, even the brand new £140k Mercedes EQS will 'only' do a realistic 350-400 miles with its massive 120kWh battery.

But most families don't use the car like the way you are suggesting. We've do 12k per year in our EV, take it on holiday/abroad and a range of 200 miles is more than enough.

Ofcourse the more miles you do the easier it is to justify an EV. Petrol seems to be approaching over £1.40/l and diesel £1.50/l. As much as electricity costs go up fuelling an EV remains cheap, and the more miles you do the better it is.

The biggest issues with EVs at present remains cost. Its sad to see Tesla constantly increasing prices, as other brands will see no doubt follow.

I think most people use cars as suits, short journey people can EV if they can afford it. Longer journey people use diesel - it was the answer according to the government let's not forget!
I do 12K a year, mostly the regular 350 mile round trips (they'll end when family eventually die off) and holidays, not much other use as we can walk to shops.
EV fuelling is cheap now, indeed it may stay that way but the fossil fuel taxes will be replaced somehow probably by road pricing, so fill your boots while you can.

 

[neil_merseyside]

The way things are going if gas is also getting the heave , leccy is going to be the only thing going !

And how is the lecy generated on a windless night?

 

[MrGrumpy]

And how is the lecy generated on a windless night?

Exactly !!

 

[gzoom]

Anyone going to buy a 10yr old Tesla for example ?

Nearly 10 year old Model Ss go for $30k in the US, that's about 35-40% of the new price so someone is buying them.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2012/

The cheapest Model S in the UK is just under £30k, and are 7 years old now. That's roughly 40% price of the price when new, so again someone is buying them.

Our Model X is 4.5 years old, and currently holding 70% of invoice price we paid.

Even used price is biggest issue with EVs.

 

[gzoom]

EV fuelling is cheap now, indeed it may stay that way but the fossil fuel taxes will be replaced somehow probably by road pricing, so fill your boots while you can.

I have been since 2015, and will continue to do so as long as possible.

 

[CXRAndy]

Car journeys across the western world

95% are less than 35 miles per day

50% only do 2 miles a day.

There is a very small percentage of trips over a 100 miles a day.

EVs are perfect for the majority

 

[MrGrumpy]

Car journeys across the western world

95% are less than 35 miles per day

50% only do 2 miles a day.

There is a very small percentage of trips over a 100 miles a day.

EVs are perfect for the majority

If you tow a caravan you will need to look elsewhere for now !? It’s a large industry and the last year has seen it grow bigger ! EVs are not the holy grail !

 

[midlife]

Car journeys across the western world

95% are less than 35 miles per day

50% only do 2 miles a day.

There is a very small percentage of trips over a 100 miles a day.

EVs are perfect for the majority

Yep, Don't disagree with that, but the majority can't afford an EV

 

[gzoom]

Yep, Don't disagree with that, but the majority can't afford an EV

And if people keep on insisting they NEED a car that can do 350 miles non stop whilst towing a caravan EVs will never get cheaper.

Part of the reason why EV prices keeps on going up is because there is massive miss match between the perceived versus actual need for range!!

Our EV has effectively a 66kWh usable battery, its more than big enough for our needs, yet even a much smaller EV these days are coming in with 75kWh+ battery packs and the public are still demanding more range/bigger batteries......Hence why the 'cheapest' Tesla Model Y is within £10k of the cost of our Model X!!!

 

[gzoom]

EVs are not the holy grail !

Nope, but they are the way the industry is going. So moan as much as you like I suspect £1.50/l for diesel will seem cheap in future.

There are two ways governments can 'force' people out of combustion cars. Norway did it with a mixture of heavy taxation on petroleum and incentives on EVs.......Sadly we all know which tool our government will use .

 

[MrGrumpy]

And if people keep on insisting they NEED a car that can do 350 miles non stop whilst towing a caravan EVs will never get cheaper.

Part of the reason why EV prices keeps on going up is because there is massive miss match between the perceived versus actual need for range!!

This is a real life scenario though, albeit personally I’d take a break when towing. However …….. I’ve not seen any places where you can stop of with your caravan and charge your car without parking up the caravan some where else . You may not understand the issue with this but it’s a problem that’s needs solved. We are miles away from adopting EVs as main mode, you can provide all the tax incentives you like to buy one but there is a lack of available and plentiful charging points!

 

[CXRAndy]

What some are missing, individual vehicle transport is changing and will continue to change. EVs are set to be the dominant transport for the immediate future.

I expect autonomy to be next, where eventually very little will actual own a car but 'call on demand' will be normal.

The average life of a car is, its sits 99% life on the drive. Actually the most wasteful investment we probably make.