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Froome and Wiggins TUEs

Discussion in 'Pro Cycling (Road and Track Racing)' started by Joffey, 15 Sep 2016.

  1. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    Opinions are usually the most important thing any of us can have*

    *Another contender for me getting a knighthood for services to wisdom next year
     
  2. oldroadman

    oldroadman Veteran

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    That's yet to be proved, if as BC say they billed Sky for the staff time. No doubt there's proof of that as the accountants will have logged it?
    In any case, who says public funds were used? remember BC gets money from commercial partnerships and subscriptions too.
    I'll not be surprised if all the UK sport and Sport England money is fairly tightly ring fenced around projects, as that's the way these public funding bodies like to operate.
    So it could well be that BC spent money from their Sky partnership funds and then recharged it to Sky team, effectively Sky paid twice - result!
     
  3. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    The risk of "blurred lines" were warned of: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bri...ky-relationship-months-before-copes-delivery/
     
  4. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    You're right about it bein unproven @oldroadman I was just speculating about ways that this business might move to concrete results from incomplete information and opinions.
     
  5. oldroadman

    oldroadman Veteran

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    thank goodness this is just a forum for opinion. Some of the posts on here (and some I've seen on road.cc) seem to be forum anyone who wants to destroy BC. Quite why they would want to do that is their problem, but I'll bet they'll never put their heads above the parapet and try to get elected then actually DO SOMETHING. After all, in their world the BC board should go and be replaced by...what? A board appointed by the govt. who know and care stuff all about the sport, but are right-on PC, and won't worry if membership, participation falls and GB success disappears because they have done "the right thing".
    Expressing opinion is one thing, calling for downfall and resignations based on hearsay and Daily Mail type rubbish...silly.
     
  6. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    Where is anyone calling for downfall and resignations?
     
  7. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Don't mention downfall, it will only tempt someone to post one of those stupid spoof videos...
     
  8. Supersuperleeds

    Supersuperleeds Guru

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    This is better than the videos

    downfall.jpg
     
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  9. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    They won't get elected. They probably won't even get nominated because nominations can only come from regional councils or national board - those who set the current direction!

    The BC system is only one step away from becoming fully self-propagating like Sustrans. If you don't know the full horror of it, see https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/a...d-in-the-governance-of-British-Cycling-0?c=EN - the importance of a vibrant and accountable governance is clear from "This year... 2015" :laugh:

    The BC president getting returned unopposed is just the crux of the problem: BC is not currently a functioning democracy.

    No. How about democracy? Open nominations, hold some Q&As and debates, then let members vote, with proportional representation... but I doubt the veteran shirts (veteran jerseys?) mostly in charge will let that happen because it might see minorities elected rather than chosen ones appointed. Nicole Cooke on the board, anyone? Now that would be a refreshing change.

    Personally, I'm mostly happy to ignore BC except when its rule fetishisms hinder charity events, but you did ask...
     
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  10. oldroadman

    oldroadman Veteran

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    Well we should always be open to new thinking. What BC has become is a business and may well need a board which reflects that. The current set up (I just checked my handbook) is an electoral college, and your point about enfranchisement is interesting. The main thing seems to me that people who know how to run a business need to be in place. The existing board seems to come from volunteers with a sport background, and there has to be a place for them too.
    It would take a massive change, and whether the members would accept it, who knows until they are asked, how many would actually even be interested enough to take part in any kind of survey where they would have to think about what they want rather than just slag off the current board/staff/officials? Which is a uniquely British sport!
    Don't understand the last bit, what rules of racing (fetishisms?) affect charity rides?
     
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  11. Marmion

    Marmion Guru

    You keep making sweeping statements which cannot be backed up.
     
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  12. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    And how are the members of that electoral college appointed? Is there any excuse for continuing with an electoral college now that communications are so quick and easy?

    I think "HSBC UK British Cycling" members will accept almost anything. They know what they're getting: BOGU. Membership numbers have gone up and I think the president and board returned unopposed yet again (I can't find the 2016 election results - can you?) despite the reported sexism and disability-discrimination at BC's highest levels last year. Also, when was the last time the members were asked a binding question?

    https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/velo-birmingham-anyone-applying.207238/page-5#post-4493356 amongst others. HSBC UK BC has a sportive-shaped cookie-cutter and insists that charity events conform or don't get listed.
     
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  13. DP

    DP Chasse patate

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    Wiggins to take part in The Jump
     
  14. oldroadman

    oldroadman Veteran

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    Looking at the BC site it seems that events registered with BC (for which I suppose they get insurance cover) have a full listing. Some events not registered with BC are still on the site but without much detail except a link to the organisation running it. Now if you were insuring something perhaps you might want to do what you can to keep things as safe and claim free as possible, or may even have the insurers insisting on conditions of cover? I don't know.
    But there are sportives and "charity rides" which sometimes are one and the same, and sometimes are not, I can't imagine BC would want to take on the local Rotary club 25km potter to help them raise a few bob for their charity of choice. Just because a sportive rider is doing a bit of fund raising it's still a sportive (or non-categorised road racing to some of those who prefer not to take part in real races).
     
  15. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    The actions BC require organisers to take have little to do with safety, what with there being no evidence for them, and everything to do with various bigotries, from the old one against recumbent cycles to some much more modern ones.

    Does The Jump drug test its athletes? ;)