Helmet Debate

[Madcyril]

It always amazes me how immature grown 'men' can be. I couldn't care less if none of you wear a helmet, you should be allowed to do whatever you want to. Fact is, if you're flying around on a road bike and smash your head on a kerb, no matter how small the odds are, you're either dead, or your wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin. Good luck with that. Seriously, whats the big deal? Most of you sound like that knob Jeremy Clarkson. Grow Up.

 

[Ajay]

It always amazes me how immature grown 'men' can be. I couldn't care less if none of you wear a helmet, you should be allowed to do whatever you want to. Fact is, if you're flying around on a road bike and smash your head on a kerb, no matter how small the odds are, you're either dead, or your wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin. Good luck with that. Seriously, whats the big deal? Most of you sound like that knob Jeremy Clarkson. Grow Up.

Well done, how about reading the OP before wading in. You ski on-road do you?
If your saddle really is at that angle it would explain why you're such a grouch.

 

[Maz]

All of you be nice, Fran's new.
Makes me wonder if we can do the 'NEWBIE ALERT' flag that some forums do? See MoneySavingExpert for example.

Yeah, sorry abot that Fran - maybe a tad harsh on you there. Btw, Francesca looks very nice in that avatar. Mind you, with my track record, 'Francesca' is probably a hair-arsed bloke called Frank from Chester.

 

[Red Light]

It always amazes me how immature grown 'men' can be. I couldn't care less if none of you wear a helmet, you should be allowed to do whatever you want to. Fact is, if you're flying around on a road bike and smash your head on a kerb, no matter how small the odds are, you're either dead, or your wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin. Good luck with that. Seriously, whats the big deal? Most of you sound like that knob Jeremy Clarkson. Grow Up.

Pop down the local hospital and ask about the people they see who have smashed their heads in and are dead or end up having their wives and kids wiping their backsides for the rest of their lives. They will tell you they are motor vehicle drivers/passengers, people who have tripped and fallen and people who have been assaulted but almost never a cyclist. So what is your rationale for not wearing a helmet in all those other situations that really do cause the problems you are highlighting ?

 

[Red Light]

The only time you REALLY need to wear protective headgear is when engaging in a debate on CC involving helmets! There are people on both sides of this particular debate who would spear you with a hot poker for disagreeing with their POV!

Bicycle helmets will not protect you from a spearing with a hot poker

 

[snorri]

Bicycle helmets will not protect you from a spearing with a hot poker

Oh! I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[Crackle]

A helmet thread in cafe with dogs in. Must be time to trot out my dog setting a prime example to all.

 

[ufkacbln]

It always amazes me how immature grown 'men' can be. I couldn't care less if none of you wear a helmet, you should be allowed to do whatever you want to. Fact is, if you're flying around on a road bike and smash your head on a kerb, no matter how small the odds are, you're either dead, or your wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin. Good luck with that. Seriously, whats the big deal? Most of you sound like that knob Jeremy Clarkson. Grow Up.

I know you will not answer this, but will ask any way!

Is it somehow more pleasant for your "wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin" when you have had a drink (60% of hospital admissions) or from a simple fall (43%). (Thornhill 2001).

Are these acceptable or should drinkers and those carrying out normal daily activities simply "grow up"?

Equally according to the BMJ walking (Wardlaw) is in fact similar to cycling in terms of head injury risk, so do you therefore feel that ...... if you're walking around and smash your head on a kerb, no matter how small the odds are, you're either dead, or your wife and kids are gonna be wiping your backside for you for the rest of your life while you dribble on your chin. Good luck with that.

Again, you really need to state your position as to whether you find the trauma and personal cost of an injury on stair is somehow acceptable and less traumatic for all those involved

I must however thank you for showingt he depths of emotional bullying and blackmail that the ill infrmed will stoop to in the lackof any knowledge of head injuries, the injury mechanism,frequency, aetiolgy, outcomes or anyting approaching reality whatsoever.

 

[PK99]

Equally according to the BMJ walking (Wardlaw) is in fact similar to cycling in terms of head injury risk, so do you therefore feel that ......

You present that reference in way that suggests this is the decided view of the BMJ,

Surely you mean, "according to Wardlaw (Letter to BMJ)" ?

 

[ufkacbln]

You present that reference in way that suggests this is the decided view of the BMJ,

Surely you mean, "according to Wardlaw (Letter to BMJ)" ?

No and your conclusion is about as realistic and correct as the original claims!

Why have you assumed I am referring to a letter?

Malcolm Wardlaw has a number of articles and letters in the BMJ, both as a principal author or as a contributor to other peoples work, this is a general reference to his contributions which are wide ranging

Most people on here recognise that quoting a name links it with the BMJ as a professional publication , this is important as it raises it above spurious, exaggerated and unfouned emotive BS

People also realise that such publications are independent of the authors, and that authors may have a range of details, facts, assumptions and conclusions that may be relevant. It is then up to the individual to look at this and decide.

I must apologise for not realising that you would be unaware of this and will make this clearer for you in future.

Now would you care to answer the question as to whether you find the trauma and personal cost of an injury somehow acceptable and less traumatic for all those involved if they are non-cyclists (the vast majority of patients who have compromised personal care needs)

 

[PK99]

No and your conclusion is about as realistic and correct as the original claims!

Why have you assumed I am referring to a letter?

I have't assumed, it is my recollection of the original read some time ago. But in any event, article or letter it was Wardlaw writing in the BMJ, not BMJ editorial, and your citation [Equally according to the BMJ] is incorrect. "Wardlaw writing in the BMJ" would be more correct. Letters and articles represent the views or authors, not necessarily the view of the (editorial board of) the journal.

 

[Madcyril]

Brilliant.

 

[benb]

I have't assumed, it is my recollection of the original read some time ago. But in any event, article or letter it was Wardlaw writing in the BMJ, not BMJ editorial, and your citation [Equally according to the BMJ] is incorrect. "Wardlaw writing in the BMJ" would be more correct. Letters and articles represent the views or authors, not necessarily the view of the (editorial board of) the journal.

I think you're missing the rather fundamental point that people suffer head injuries doing all sorts of activities, but on the whole there isn't this massive pressure to wear a helmet. The risk is far higher for people drinking on a weekend than a cyclist, so are you also pushing for pub helmets? If not why not?

 

[PK99]

I think you're missing the rather fundamental point that people suffer head injuries doing all sorts of activities, but on the whole there isn't this massive pressure to wear a helmet. The risk is far higher for people drinking on a weekend than a cyclist, so are you also pushing for pub helmets? If not why not?

That's interesting, i haven't expressed an opinion on anything other than the citation yet you claim i am missing a point.

 

[benb]

That's interesting, i haven't expressed an opinion on anything other than the citation yet you claim i am missing a point.

My apologies, I mixed you up with another poster. I will go and do some corporeal mortification immediately as penance.