Helmets and falling off....

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by Hutch118, 26 Jul 2015.

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  1. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

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    I tried, but the link doesn't work.
     
  2. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

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    And we know that they use anecdata, ask the nurses who work with them.
     
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  3. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Which is something many on here have been saying for a long while now.
     
  4. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Me I was told that the helmet actually made the injury worse, at the A&E. But shouldn't have bothered wearing one if I was going to remove it before being treated.
    He doesn't say that they will save you from head injury. He's used, it seems, what he has worked on for that piece.
    Its a piece in the Irish Indepenent. http://www.independent.ie/life/city...doesnt-work-hospital-consultant-31398352.html
     
  5. User1252

    User1252 Guest

    Has anyone suggested to the @Moderators that this needs moving
     
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  6. screenman

    screenman Legendary Member

    You seem very concerned with money, personally I do not see it as a waste.
     
  7. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest


    Another Thudguard moment?

    The head of the British Association for Accident and Emergency Medicine (the Professional organisation of Casuaty Dosctors)

    If we accept the advice of a single Doctor as evidence for wearing a helmet, then surely the Thudguard becomes even more important when their professional organisation endorses it?
     
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  8. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Crash helmets seem to be unscrupulous manufacturers harming cycling in order to steal our cake money. ;)
     
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  9. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    OK, the newspaper article is almost a full house of crash helmet mispromotion bingo right there, including the proponent being a cyclist himself, saying it's a belief and so on and so on... but let's drill down into the key bit quoted:
    I looked that one up and the source seems to be K. Fingleton, M. Gilchrist (2013), UCA Dublin, "A study of the protective capabilities of cycle-helmets in collisions involving motor-vehicles based on computer simulated reconstructions" which doesn't seem to be available online, does it? It doesn't even appear on http://www.ucd.ie/eacollege/mme/staff/academicstaff/professormichaelgilchrist/staff,98866,en.html or http://researchrepository.ucd.ie/browse?type=author&value=Gilchrist, M. D. and there's no Fingleton on their staff list or the author list. UCA is University of Creative Arts, so I suspect that's a typo as there's nothing relevant on http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/ireland - has anyone found this paper?

    Just from the title, I have my doubts about using solely computer simulations for this because a simulation is only as good as the factors it includes and reality has a bad habit of surprising us with effects we hadn't foreseen. Secondly, it sounds like it's only considering head injuries and again only cases where a collision has already happened, not population-level effects.

    However, taking a step back, what does ETSC - the body whose mere citation apparently lends credibility to that research - say are the first things to do to improve cycling safety? 30kmh urban speed limits, best practice guidelines for street design, Intelligent Speed Assist in motor vehicles, various enforcement measures, lower speed limits at junctions, priority maintenance for footways and cycleways (the opposite of most current English policy) ... cyclist crash helmets are only the very last section of http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/etsc_pin_flash_29_walking_cycling_safer.pdf - let's do the more effective measures first and if it's still not good enough, then consider crash helmets.
     
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  10. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Two seperate pieces.
    The first a piece that gives a fairly unbiased view of helmet usage. Not coming down on either side, as someone else pointed out. The second found on a a quick search for reasons to replace the helmet.
     
  11. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    The piece was quoted because it says & dealt with secondary impact.
    Helmets do not protect the lower half of the body and will not prevent injury to those areas in a collision.

    You quote out of context from another thread.
     
  12. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    No, I quoted from your out-of-context paste into this thread. :tongue:

    Awfully sorry to raise points you won't answer(!)
     
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  13. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Check where it is posted then.
     
  14. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Yep, it's on page 4 of this thread. What's your point? Are you SURE you don't have lasting damage from crash helmet (ab)use?
     
  15. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    I've lasting and permanent damage due to epilepsy. I cracked the skull again on the 19th of last month. Before that in Msrch this year.

    If that's a joke to you then I pity you and hope you never have to go through any part of it.
     
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