BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
So Col, let's hear what you think the split of blame between Magnatom and the driver is in this incident. Firstly, legal blame, and secondly moral.
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col said:You should make a mags club,you could be the chair.
Im seriously suggesting he made a dangerous mistake,your the one saying im suggesting things that i havnt said.Im going to surprise you too...........BOO
What was Mag's serious mistake, with references to the highway code and cycling best practice please?
Did the driver make any errors, specifically with reference to rule 202 of the highway code?
In post 48 col you say that the car - I assume you mean the black car that reverses into Mags - already had his reverse lights on. On reviewing the footage, do you now agree that @22 secs into the video, mags was already behind the car and stationary when the reverse lights came on?
col
Legendary Member
Bollo said:
Quote whatever rules that float your boat if it makes you happy.His mistake was he rushed across while he had a gap and put himself in that situation,the fact that he positioned himself directly behind the car that nearly hit him shows he realised what a mistake he had made,to pull out of a junction and stand in the middle of the turning area to turn right for where he has just come from shows very poor regard for others as well as himself,there was nowhere for him to safely wait this out,and that shows when he blames the car reversing to let the parking car swing its front end out,with his where was her mirrors checking.As for he thought she was turning right,well without her indicating i wouldnt guess or summise such a thing,because as he has shown you can get yourself in risky positions by doing that,and it obviously shows his esp,or what is it he calls it? spidey sense
isnt working either.Put simply,if he couldnt reach the other side of the road and carry on without causing obstruction,then he should have waited till he could,but i suppose when you rely on your spidey sense these things are naturally going to happen
Arch
Married to Night Train
- Location
- Salford, UK
col said:Put simply,if he couldnt reach the other side of the road and carry on without causing obstruction,then he should have waited till he could,but i suppose when you rely on your spidey sense these things are naturally going to happen
What's the point of a central reservation, if not to allow crossing in two stages?
And I wouldn't assume a car not indicating wasn't turning, I wouldn't rely on any driver to indicate...
This morning, a dog ran across my path, so I slowed and went to go behind it, whereupon the owner called it back, straight into my path. Would that be my fault too?
Arch
Married to Night Train
- Location
- Salford, UK
col said:
Would you, honestly, in that situation, have thought "that woman is about reverse"? Really? Honestly?
I think you're being wise after the event, myself.
col
Legendary Member
Arch said:
Im not on about the reversing lady who nearly hits him as the full reason.There is a car waiting to reverse into a parking place,another car waiting behind that as its blocking the road,there is nowhere to go and the road is blocked,but he still moves over to put himself right behing the second car,which as it turns out then starts to move to help the reversing parked car.Do you think he saw the road blocked and still moved to join it,or did he just not see it ?I dont think i would cross a junction that is blocked,would you?The sensible and safe thing to do is wait until it is clear isnt it?So he put himself in that situation,and its bad luck when the lady reversed into him,but then blames others for all of it.
Col!
Sorry about disappearing like that. As you can see from my recent manner of posting, I wasn't myself. I was in a blue funk. Luckily my batman, Jepp, intervened and was able to drag me away from the keyboard before I began to self harm. Jepp immediately sent a street-urchin out to fetch my doctor, who arrived just in time to administer leeches and a tincture of opium. While I drifted away to the land of morphia, he quickly contacted the editors of the Cyclechat electronic periodical who, fearing a writ from my solicitor, placed you quickly back on my ignore list.
You see col, this thread was going along nicely. The merits and demerits of helmet cameras were the topic of debate with sensible and interesting points being made on both sides. There was certainly not universal agreement on their use. But, while making what I thought were sensible, interesting points about camera use, I became aware of an unease. Where was col? Sure enough, one browser refresh later and it began.
As I scan my bookshelf, my eyes alight upon a thick, leather-bound copy of Herman Melville's 'Moby Dick'. Although dense and multi-layered, the book's central story concerns the whaler captain Ahab and his mono-maniacal pursuit of the white whale in search of revenge. Similarly, you have become cyclechat's Ahab, and Magnatom is your Moby Dick.
A key scene in the book occurs when Ahab nails a gold coin to the main mast and offers it to the first man to spy Moby Dick. I can't help but think you might have done something equally foolish with your full stop key?
Sorry about disappearing like that. As you can see from my recent manner of posting, I wasn't myself. I was in a blue funk. Luckily my batman, Jepp, intervened and was able to drag me away from the keyboard before I began to self harm. Jepp immediately sent a street-urchin out to fetch my doctor, who arrived just in time to administer leeches and a tincture of opium. While I drifted away to the land of morphia, he quickly contacted the editors of the Cyclechat electronic periodical who, fearing a writ from my solicitor, placed you quickly back on my ignore list.
You see col, this thread was going along nicely. The merits and demerits of helmet cameras were the topic of debate with sensible and interesting points being made on both sides. There was certainly not universal agreement on their use. But, while making what I thought were sensible, interesting points about camera use, I became aware of an unease. Where was col? Sure enough, one browser refresh later and it began.
As I scan my bookshelf, my eyes alight upon a thick, leather-bound copy of Herman Melville's 'Moby Dick'. Although dense and multi-layered, the book's central story concerns the whaler captain Ahab and his mono-maniacal pursuit of the white whale in search of revenge. Similarly, you have become cyclechat's Ahab, and Magnatom is your Moby Dick.
A key scene in the book occurs when Ahab nails a gold coin to the main mast and offers it to the first man to spy Moby Dick. I can't help but think you might have done something equally foolish with your full stop key?
col said:You should make a mags club,you could be the chair.
Im seriously suggesting he made a dangerous mistake,your the one saying im suggesting things that i havnt said.Im going to surprise you too...........BOO
Ah, the answer of a true politician. So I will ask it again, in reply to you, until I get a direct answer...
Have you ever, ever said ANYTHING positive about my cycling, ever?
User3143 said:
You are quite right Lee. On the video you can see the reverse lights of the silver car before I cross. However, note that as I cycle I am not watching a video, which I can replay over and over again to look at in detail. A few folk have suggested that on first, possibly second view of the video all they saw was a line of traffic. Also remember that my eyes move independant of my head (Eagle Eyes!
) so where the camera looks is not where I am looking at all times. So approaching this junction I was keeping an eye on a number of things. Traffic coming from the right, the left, pedestians, bumps in the road, the car which appeared to me to be turning and moving out of my way etc.So yes, I didn't see the car with the reverse lights on, but I don't think that was any great crime (I'm not suggesting that you are saying that Lee). So yes from an observational point of view I failed, but I would probably suggest that most others would have failed to spot that as well.
Even if they had, it is still a fair leap to consider that a car at that junction which, if you pull up behind (close because they stopped unexpectedly as I crossed a junction that I could not stop until I crossed it), would reverse.
Maybe I should have done a Question of Sport, what happened next question on this video. I'd have been amazed if anyone would have predicted the reverse of the car even if I pause as late as 21 seconds.
P.S. Lee your posts are even in criticism are much better recently IMO. I glad I don't use ignore lists!
