On verge of leaving cycle club.

winjim

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My nine year granddaughter has Aspergers and is highly intelligent she does have some difficulty forming relationships but given time and encouragement eventually developed a close bond

As regarding abbreviation I personally don’t like them particularly when referring to some form of what is seen as a disability is to me and parents is offensive Just use the correct terminology We have all seen the offensive abbreviations to describe people of different colour or race or religion
The 'correct terminology' is autism spectrum disorder. But... parents or grandparents of autistic people do not get to decide how actually autistic people refer to themselves. I'm sure that your granddaughter is or will be able to decide how she wishes to refer to herself.

In case anyone isn't aware, the legacy of Hans Asperger is problematic due to his links with Nazi eugenics. Many autistic people do not wish to be associated with his name. OTOH, many do not have a problem and refer to themselves as having Asperger's or as Aspies. Also Autistics, Austists or Auties. It's their choice.
 

pawl

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The 'correct terminology' is autism spectrum disorder. But... parents or grandparents of autistic people do not get to decide how actually autistic people refer to themselves. I'm sure that your granddaughter is or will be able to decide how she wishes to refer to herself.

In case anyone isn't aware, the legacy of Hans Asperger is problematic due to his links with Nazi eugenics. Many autistic people do not wish to be associated with his name. OTOH, many do not have a problem and refer to themselves as having Asperger's or as Aspies. Also Autistics, Austists or Auties. It's their choice.
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I have no problem if the person makes the decision themselves to use the terminology you describe What I don’t like is others imposing terminology on them that they may object to My first name is David I don’t object to be called Dave I have frequently been asked what I prefer My mother would spin in her grave if she knew I can hear her now saying that’s the name you were christened with.
 

winjim

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Well yes, that's why I kind of took exception to the original comment telling me that 'Aspie' was an offensive term. I actually chose the phrase carefully as I wanted to call back to the 'aspergers' mentioned in the OP but use a less obviously medicalised term. Oh well, that backfired I guess.

Anyway, far more importantly, your real name isn't Paul? That's disappointing.
 

pawl

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Well yes, that's why I kind of took exception to the original comment telling me that 'Aspie' was an offensive term. I actually chose the phrase carefully as I wanted to call back to the 'aspergers' mentioned in the OP but use a less obviously medicalised term. Oh well, that backfired I guess.

Anyway, far more importantly, your real name isn't Paul? That's disappointing.


I thought when I joined CC I wanted a name that had cycling connection hence pawl .I suppose there are many things I could have used cycle appropriate

Just watching MyYorkshire Farm. Yorkshire is my favourite place to visit both on bike and foot
Stay safe
 

winjim

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It boils down to whether you are happy to be defined by your condition rather than being treated as an individual.

Some are happy to be. Others aren't.
As I see it it's about incorporating your neurotype into your identity.
 
As regarding abbreviation I personally don’t like them particularly when referring to some form of what is seen as a disability is to me and parents is offensive Just use the correct terminology We have all seen the offensive abbreviations to describe people of different colour or race or religion
I hope you're not implying I've done something on the level of calling someone a Paki. I'll assume that you are not, and then we can all get along, OK? 👍
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
I think it's a perfectly reasonable stance of the club that anyone can tag along and ride but if you want to be part of the whatsapp group that organises the rides etc you should be a member of the club

The problem that the OP has is that some non-members have been allowed into the whatsapp group and that the group administrator has changed the OP's rights in the group without talking to him first

Typical small club issue due to people running it making decisions without thinking of the consequences properly. Correct approach would be to ask the non members in the whatsapp group to either leave the group or join the club. They can continue to get ride info from elsewhere and tag along if they wish. Or allow anyone into the whatsapp group
 

winjim

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I think it's a perfectly reasonable stance of the club that anyone can tag along and ride but if you want to be part of the whatsapp group that organises the rides etc you should be a member of the club

The problem that the OP has is that some non-members have been allowed into the whatsapp group and that the group administrator has changed the OP's rights in the group without talking to him first

Typical small club issue due to people running it making decisions without thinking of the consequences properly. Correct approach would be to ask the non members in the whatsapp group to either leave the group or join the club. They can continue to get ride info from elsewhere and tag along if they wish. Or allow anyone into the whatsapp group
That's fair enough but if the chap is being excluded because of his Aspergers then that's not right. He may find it easier to communicate via a Whatsapp group than by other means, although I understand the point about access being via membership. However, I take the op's 'the fun started' and 'rude replies' to mean they were mocking him. That's out of order and the op is right to want to have words.
 
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Milkfloat

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We don't actually have the full story or even half of it. So we cannot judge whether he is being excluded due to not being a member or because of Aspergers. If it is the former, then great (perhaps other freeloaders have been ejected too) if it is the later then it is illegal and well as being completely wrong. My money is on the former.
 

winjim

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You said autism wasn't relevant because he'd got over it and then an actually autistic person told you it maybe wasn't that simple and now suddenly it's not about autism at all...

I sort of agree, a lot of the autism discussion is kind of a side issue, albeit an interesting and potentially useful one imo. But to frame it in the way you have with those quotes seems disingenuous to me.


Edit: nested quotes so it's not obvious but this is in response to PR a couple of posts up.
 

pawl

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I hope you're not implying I've done something on the level of calling someone a Paki. I'll assume that you are not, and then we can all get along, OK? 👍

Ii apologies I wasn’t implying that Just that to me abbreviations are sometimes inappropriate The consultant I worked with was a gereatic specialist That was changed to consultant for older people.,mainly because certain members of staff at team meetings would refer to patients as geres.
 
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It was clearly a feature in the post as it was the condition that led to the alleged unpleasant actions of some in the cycling club. What it was not was the main point of the post, nor a reason to comment on the impact of the condition of the person concerned.

My comment still stands. Your comments were unnecessary, irrelevant and not based on knowledge of that condition.
 
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