ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
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- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
What's a traffic light?
Wonder when we'll get them in rural Yorkshire?
Wonder when we'll get them in rural Yorkshire?
You might have an impression of what is happening but its just that, an impression compared with actual measurements of what is happening. There are lots of places now where, if you count them bikes outnumber cars but the impression if you don't count them is that cars outnumber bikes.
I agree about the junctions they chose, they're the sort it would be relatively foolhardy/difficult to jump. My own perception from 13 years cycle commuting these roads is it's less prevalent than it was and is probably somewhere between 30 and 40 per cent. Perception isn't fact tho.No I've never measured it either. But as I said to another poster. 7 years of commuter cycling in London says a lot more then some old report of someone standing on a corner counting a few cyclists for a couple of hours.
And having a look at the report, the junctions where the transgressors were counted are some of the most busiest junctions in London where only the more foolhardy would RLJ. Next time they should do a better spread of minor junctions. Then watch as the stat's jump.
The TfL link is very interesting and all, but offers no empirical data to support any figure for accidents caused as a consequence of RLJing.
It's easy to figure how many jump red lights by asking riders, or even standing there and counting ( or reviewing CCTV and counting, or whatever) but the lead investigating agency for serious road incidents involving injury or death, or the dibble, simply do not record and report RLJing as an accident cause, simply because they're not required to do so. Therefore, Twots fail London Simply do not have a reliable source of data re RLJ fatalities. No one does.
I voted 50/50 but that's for my commute now. When commuting down the Old Kent Road I would say it was way over 60%. 60% means that only 2 in every 5 cyclists would stop for the red light, I was frequently on my own watching other cyclists pass me by.
TfL did a study and came up with a figure of 18% of cyclists RLJ in London. Which is round about the same percentage of drivers that RLJ more than three seconds after the light has gone red. Its also not a particularly dangerous thing to do - the number of cyclist deaths from RLJing are very low compared to the prevalence of RLJing.
I used to love it. I don't even have anyone to race anymore!!The Old Kent Road is kind of my neighbourhood, I wouldn't feel comfortable cycling down it though. We have not only cyclists RLJ'ing all over the place plus the buses plus the HGV's plus the further south you go, all those people driving and using their mobiles but we have the countless peds dragging their pre-school age children across 4 lanes of heavy traffic. I'm not exaggerating.
I could politely offer that cycling in London in 2012 is a completely different environment to that in 2005. I was commuting in 2005 (started around 1995) and there were hardly any cyclists around at all. Everyone thought we were nuts to cycle in London.I thought
In London between 2001-05 (the most recent data we have), there were 3cyclists, 7 pedestrians and 7 motor vehicle occupants killed in collisionswhere a motorist jumped a red light.• Two cyclists were killed by red light jumping (i.e. fewer than the number ofcyclists killed by red-light-jumping drivers), while 7 motorcyclists gotthemselves killed the same way.was empirical data collected by TfL. What do you suggest happened? They made the numbers up?
And I suppose they also made up the report about how many cyclists RLJ'd in London too rather than doing what you suggest and standing there counting them as they claim in their report.
I could politely offer that cycling in London in 2012 is a completely different environment to that in 2005. I was commuting in 2005 (started around 1995) and there were hardly any cyclists around at all. Everyone thought we were nuts to cycle in London.
Cycle journeys doubled between 2000 and 2010. It's widely accepted that the two main triggers for this increase have occurred since Jan 2005, namely the 7/7 bombings and the financial crisis.
I'd say doubled is a significant increase.