Road rage

[Biker man]

Food! There, I said it too

Don't mind that at all you speak my language 😉

 

[HobbesOnTour]

Society simply reflects the mantra of those in power. For the last 40 years we have had govt after govt enforcing neo-lib dog eat dog ideology which has infested society. Life has become one big stress, increasing and unavoidable debt, piss poor wages where working people are needing benefits and the use of food banks to support themselves, currently life in the UK is far from healthy in terms of the mental trauma these and other pressures are creating. people with mental illnesses are not supported well enough and the general message we are given is to trample over others to get what you want. It started with thatcher and the current govt have just raised this utterley depraved ideology to gas mark 9.
If govts listened to 'do gooders' more we would have a more caring and supportive society which would lead to less stress, more happiness and less selfish scrotes riding roughshod over others.

I think the general thrust of this is that "Society" is the issue and I'd tend to strongly agree.

The problem is that it is a very complicated thing, this "Society".

Anger can often be used as a "masking" emotion for others that are less comfortable such as shame or fear. It's instinctive and people probably aren't even aware of what they are doing or why. And who in this day and age has time to stop and figure it out?

As to what can be done about it I don't really know. But I do know that there are other places where road rage and the like are far less common. Looking to these places would be a good start.

And getting offline helps too!

 

[bladesman73]

I think the general thrust of this is that "Society" is the issue and I'd tend to strongly agree.

The problem is that it is a very complicated thing, this "Society".

Anger can often be used as a "masking" emotion for others that are less comfortable such as shame or fear. It's instinctive and people probably aren't even aware of what they are doing or why. And who in this day and age has time to stop and figure it out?

As to what can be done about it I don't really know. But I do know that there are other places where road rage and the like are far less common. Looking to these places would be a good start.

And getting offline helps too!

Agree. We in the UK have walked into being a society where destructive things have been normalised, such as debt and gambling. You cannot even get a decent education these days without ending up thousands of pounds in debt unless you are from a wealthy family...and these simple examples are merely the tip of the iceberg. I really don't have the energy or will to go on about this in detail, have been there and done that before and it changes nothing. But the fundamental message is that the public are easily manipulated by the power brokers who use them for their own material gain. They do not care a jot about the impact their greed has on society so long as it fills their pockets, whilst a complicit MSM ensures misinformation muddys the waters and diverts the blame for society's demise on everyone but the culprits...see refugees, the poor, the disabled for recent examples.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

As far as dumb and aggressive driving is concerned I generally find that the worst place around here is the expressway leading to my wife's son's house
the expressway stsrats here
basically you come off a roundabout (I am turning rigth on the roundabout) and there is also a segregated lane for people coming in from the other direction
the segregated lane merges after a 100 yards or so
problem is that there are 2 lanes - and in a few miles there is a junction where you have to be in the right lane to carry onto the M57 - and in the left lane to take the busy road to local towns and the M62
Hence after about 1 mile people are starting to have to get into the lane they need at the juntion
and people want to travel at different speeds
I generally try to do 65-70 - but if the person in the outside lane is doing 55-60 then fine

but there is nearly always someone who NEEDS to do 80
and people who see a gap in the inside lane and use this to undertake - then demand to be let back into the outside lane

it can be a dangerous chaos

all to save slowing down a few miles an hour for about 1 mile

how I have not seen a serious crash there is beyond me

I think the people causing this are the same people who will cause problems if a cyclist slows them down on a busy street
probably the same ones I have seen start off at temporary lights even though they can see a cyclist (i.e. me) has not yet reached the end of the roadworks

 

[Biker man]

What is defined as a swear word is just a social convention, and social conventions change from place to place and over time.

You may not like certain words, but I'd suggest they do no actual harm to you, are not necessarily racist or sensitive (though some are).

I'm much more bothered by the intent behind whatever words are used. Casual swearing - no problem; aggressive body language - scary.

Last time I objected to what I found an offensive word I was called a snowflake.

Agree. We in the UK have walked into being a society where destructive things have been normalised, such as debt and gambling. You cannot even get a decent education these days without ending up thousands of pounds in debt unless you are from a wealthy family...and these simple examples are merely the tip of the iceberg. I really don't have the energy or will to go on about this in detail, have been there and done that before and it changes nothing. But the fundamental message is that the public are easily manipulated by the power brokers who use them for their own material gain. They do not care a jot about the impact their greed has on society so long as it fills their pockets, whilst a complicit MSM ensures misinformation muddys the waters and diverts the blame for society's demise on everyone but the culprits...see refugees, the poor, the disabled for recent examples.

There is some truth in what you say,but it's personal choice nobody puts a gun to your head to get to university , and some of the courses are Mickey mouse ones .There had always been poverty in the thirty's there was real poverty soup kitchens ect no shoes on some folks feet, today's poor have expensive tattoos latest IPhone etc all about personal choice .

 

[bladesman73]

There is some truth in what you say,but it's personal choice nobody puts a gun to your head to get to university , and some of the courses are Mickey mouse ones .There had always been poverty in the thirty's there was real poverty soup kitchens ect no shoes on some folks feet, today's poor have expensive tattoos latest IPhone etc all about personal choice .

It isnt a race to the bottom. Poverty is relative. Also whilst yep, nobody forces people into higher education, it is a way of bettering yourself which was free to access for all until recently. The stories about tattoos and latest iphones are mostly govt led propaganda to turn people's ire away from them and lay the blame for society's ills on the poor. My friend works at a food bank and he says the majority of users are living in real poverty...no sky tv, no flash phone, in real debt just to pay rent and bills, many work. Also you need a phone and data or wifi access to apply for jobs nowadays, without one good luck with finding work. Society has changed since the 1930s yet we still like to demonise the poor, as we did back then. That at least will never change in the UK.

 

[Biker man]

It isnt a race to the bottom. Poverty is relative. Also whilst yep, nobody forces people into higher education, it is a way of bettering yourself which was free to access for all until recently. The stories about tattoos and latest iphones are mostly govt led propaganda to turn people's ire away from them and lay the blame for society's ills on the poor. My friend works at a food bank and he says the majority of users are living in real poverty...no sky tv, no flash phone, in real debt just to pay rent and bills, many work. Also you need a phone and data or wifi access to apply for jobs nowadays, without one good luck with finding work. Society has changed since the 1930s yet we still like to demonise the poor, as we did back then. That at least will never change in the UK.

AI dont demonise anyone I have been poor all my life ,there are genuine cases that need help but a lot just don't manage there income ,one thing I think would help would be to scrap the TV licence fee with immediate effect this my last word on this thread it's getting political.

 

[Stephenite]

I'm not sure what has happened in the last 20 years or so

I moved out.

20 years ago I moved from the UK to Norway. It wasn’t the plan. It just happened that way. I didn’t realise I would be missed so much.

 

[the snail]

No-one is saying it's ok to beat a child senseless, but as you say, violent parents will do that anyway regardless of the law. Banning the smacking of children as a small reminder of the difference between right and wrong was a classic case of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and now we are seeing the results. You reap what you sow...

Yeah, cos teaching your kids that violence is the answer when someone annoys you will definitely not cause road rage.

 

[Brandane]

Yeah, cos teaching your kids that violence is the answer when someone annoys you will definitely not cause road rage.

If you can't tell the difference between "violence" towards children, and a mild physical punishment (i.e. smacking) for bad behaviour, then we are in a worse mess than I thought we were. However, as per usual on CC - there is no middle ground. You support smacking and you are a violent, child abusing psychopath. You don't and you are a mamby-pamby, lily livered, lefty social worker. Which is why I can no longer be arsed getting involved in any such "discussions". See post #32.

 

[the snail]

..You support smacking and you are a violent, child abusing psychopath...

Well that's not what I said. I just think that it is rather lazy thinking to attribute road rage to a lack of physical punishment. First you have to accept that people are more likely to indulge in this behaviour, and I'm not convinced, I think it's just human nature. Road rage has been a thing as long as there has been traffic - think of Mr. Toad. If you put someone in a situation where they are focussed on making progress from A to B, where other drivers get in their way, people get stressed and some are poor at dealing with it. Then there is no proper interaction because they are all isolated in their metal boxes - you don't tend to see 'pedestrian rage' when others get in the way. I think the answer is to reduce stress levels, or teach people to deal with it. Or maybe more corporal punishment, lashes of the whip instead of points on the licence?

 

[winjim]

If you can't tell the difference between "violence" towards children, and a mild physical punishment (i.e. smacking) for bad behaviour, then we are in a worse mess than I thought we were. However, as per usual on CC - there is no middle ground. You support smacking and you are a violent, child abusing psychopath. You don't and you are a mamby-pamby, lily livered, lefty social worker. Which is why I can no longer be arsed getting involved in any such "discussions". See post #32.

Hitting a child is a violent act. Not 'violent'. Violent. You may argue whether it's right or necessary, but it is violent.

 

[Brandane]

but it is violent.

Really? Clearly my mother didn't put enough effort into the act, as she never caused me injury or illness (but I still got the message), according to the Cambridge dictionary.....
So can we please stop watering down words such as "violent" for the sake of dramatic effect?

violent adjective (CAUSING HURT)
using force to hurt or attack:

hurt
to feel pain in a part of your body, or to injure someone or cause them pain:

pain
a feeling of physical suffering caused by injury or illness:

 

[Biker man]

Really? Clearly my mother didn't put enough effort into the act, as she never caused me injury or illness (but I still got the message), according to the Cambridge dictionary.....
So can we please stop watering down words such as "violent" for the sake of dramatic effect?

Most kids of my generation got a clip around the ear ,I was caned in school it was a punishment if you did wrong,some of this generation don't know the difference between right and wrong just me me.

 

[Alex321]

Really? Clearly my mother didn't put enough effort into the act, as she never caused me injury or illness (but I still got the message), according to the Cambridge dictionary.....
So can we please stop watering down words such as "violent" for the sake of dramatic effect?

Your quoted definitions show absolutely that he was correct.