Road rage

[Brandane]

Your quoted definitions show absolutely that he was correct.

??????
Well yes, I suppose it is possible to smack a child to the extent that they suffer "injury or illness" - but that was always against the law.
As you well know (at least I hope you know the difference) that is not what we are talking about here.

 

[Alex321]

??????
Well yes, I suppose it is possible to smack a child to the extent that they suffer "injury or illness" - but that was always against the law.
As you well know (at least I hope you know the difference) that is not what we are talking about here.

Perhaps you didn't actually read the content of what you quoted.

It certainly did NOT say that you have inflict "injury or illness" for it to be violent. Though of course that depends somewhat on what is classed as "injury".

And yes, I fully understand the difference between minor violence for chastisement and excessive violence from anger or a misplaced idea of what is acceptable chastisement.

But what was acceptable when some of us older members here were children, and that we believe never did us any harm is no longer acceptable in today's environment.

I do not, however, believe for one moment that the prevalence of smacking in older generations has contributed one iota to road rage, as some seem to be suggesting in this thread.

 

[simongt]

I've not 'enjoyed' driving for some years now. I do it simply as a function to get from A to B as needed. I much prefer cycling, but obviously, weather, load or distance sometimes preclude using a bike.
The main reason about driving is that pretty much everyone appears to be in such a tearing hurry to get to their destination, wherever that might be; speeding especially in inappropriate condtions, failing to indicate, tailgating etc., etc..
And don't get me started on SUVs - !

 

[winjim]

Most kids of my generation got a clip around the ear ,I was caned in school it was a punishment if you did wrong,some of this generation don't know the difference between right and wrong just me me.

I know that it's wrong to hit a child.

 

[Biker man]

Ne

I know that it's wrong to hit a child.

Never done me or my friends any harm .

 

[winjim]

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Never done me or my friends any harm .

I just knew you'd come back with that. How do you know it's done no harm, have you seen a psychotherapist?

You seem to think you know right from wrong, but your perception of right and wrong runs antithetical to mine, at least as it pertains to corporal punishment.

Hitting children is wrong and, I believe, harmful.

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

I just knew you'd come back with that. How do you know it's done no harm, have you seen a psychotherapist?

You seem to think you know right from wrong, but your perception of right and wrong runs antithetical to mine, at least as it pertains to corporal punishment.

Hitting children is wrong and, I believe, harmful.

I agree completely.

 

[Biker man]

I just knew you'd come back with that. How do you know it's done no harm, have you seen a psychotherapist?

You seem to think you know right from wrong, but your perception of right and wrong runs antithetical to mine, at least as it pertains to corporal punishment.

Hitting children is wrong and, I believe, harmful.

I think it is you who needs a psychologist end of.

 

[winjim]

I think it is you who needs a psychologist end of.

Another predictable response I'm afraid. But yeah, I think psychotherapy is something we could all potentially benefit from and there's no shame in that. It might even help us understand the root of things like road rage.

 

[winjim]

Really? Clearly my mother didn't put enough effort into the act, as she never caused me injury or illness (but I still got the message), according to the Cambridge dictionary.....
So can we please stop watering down words such as "violent" for the sake of dramatic effect?

Mate. Think about what you're writing.

Hitting children.

Seriously.

 

[winjim]

Dragging this rather tortuous thread back vaguely on topic, I do wonder if there is any correlation between childhood trauma, including that suffered as a result of corporal punishment, and violent behaviour later in life, including road rage incidents. There seems to be a hypothesis among some members of our community that childhood corporal punishment should correlate inversely with violent behaviour later in life, but I instinctively feel the opposite should be true. Anybody know of any studies into this?

 

[All uphill]

I've always thought that resorting to violence was a clear sign of failure to deal with one's own emotions in a safe way..

We were brought up in the sixties without any violence, and have done the same with our children. Not surprising that our children don't use violence, is it?

 

[Alex321]

Mate. Think about what you're writing.

Hitting children.

Seriously.

Think about the fact that many on here are 50+ in age.

Which means we were brought up in an age when physical chastisement was absolutely the norm. It would be a very unusual parent who didn't smack their child any time up to the 1980s and beyond. And most schools also. I still remember as a primary school child (age 10) getting a strap across the fingers when I misbehaved in class.

Nowadays, this is not acceptable, but it doesn't help the arguments to present all situations as the same, and reduce it to always being "violence" or "hitting children" whether it is what was then considered reasonable chastisement, or whether it is serious child abuse.

 

[winjim]

Think about the fact that many on here are 50+ in age.

Which means we were brought up in an age when physical chastisement was absolutely the norm. It would be a very unusual parent who didn't smack their child any time up to the 1980s and beyond. And most schools also. I still remember as a primary school child (age 10) getting a strap across the fingers when I misbehaved in class.

Nowadays, this is not acceptable, but it doesn't help the arguments to present all situations as the same, and reduce it to always being "violence" or "hitting children" whether it is what was then considered reasonable chastisement, or whether it is serious child abuse.

You make good points and I don't want to be too reductive about it. I am having two very similar conversations on this thread and trying to keep them separate. In this one, I'm attempting to not get into the rights and wrongs, or whether striking a child is necessary or appropriate, or even the degree of physicality involved. That's an interesting topic but I don't think you can even begin to discuss it without first at least acknowledging that smacking a child is absolutely an act of violence.

 

[lazybloke]

To hurt a child is to commit an act of violence. The dinosaurs will argue about the degree of violence, but it is still violence.
And it's unnecessary; a child doesn't need pain to learn right from wrong. You can instill discipline in a child, and earn respect, without smacking them.

Any dinosaur that says "smacking was the only option left" is only confirming that the smack was the last of a long string of parenting failures. Get some support.